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Friday, August 05, 2011

Genocide Excused, Opposition Blamed, Fjordman Out

A series of three articles from Views and News from Norway concerning Breivik, Fjordman, and the larger, longer-running, lopsided debate they're on the politically incorrect side of.

‘Fear of foreigners’ breeds extremists, 3 August 2011:
Anders Behring Breivik is by no means Norway’s first home-grown right-wing extremist. Concerns are rising that the country, with its relatively small population, has produced what some experts call a disproportionate amount of internationally known extremists, and some link it to a history of fremmedfrykt (fear of foreigners).

While Norwegian society generally has grown more tolerant and internationally oriented in recent decades, there’s long been a tradition of wariness among Norwegians regarding people they don’t know. While Norway has produced record numbers of its own emigrants, many haven’t been particularly welcoming towards immigrants who’ve arrived in Norway during the past few decades.

That’s given rise to criticism of asylum and immigration laws that some view as too liberal, and in turn a rise in some hateful rhetoric against foreigners in online debates. Fear of being branded a racist for criticizing immigration policies, however, has shut some out of the debate, leading to frustration when they can’t have their say.

Rational debaters withdraw

Author and journalist Øyvind Strømmen has followed the types of websites where Breivik, who has confessed to terrorist attacks that left 77 persons dead, was active in online debate. The extreme and hateful rhetoric found on many of the sites, Strømmen told newspaper Aftenposten this week, “is so uncomfortable that those wanting a factual and rational debate pull out. That leaves the debate to more and more extremists on the left and the right.”
Never mind the completely rational fear of social and even criminal sanction. Ironically, Fjordman has used the same disingenuous argument as Strømmen - anyone whose opinion he doesn't like is irrational, or just plain stupid. The fact remains that it's only one side that has to find the courage, or foolhardiness, to debate. There is no lack of fearless, rational people on the other side, arguing in favor of genocidal immigration and multiculturalism. They're just intelligent enough to pretend it isn't genocide. Instead of saying directly that they think indigenous Whites have a duty to abide and even accomodate their legal and demographic subordination, most characterize their position instead as favoring "tolerance" and "diversity". Instead of saying directly that they favor repression of indigenous White resistance to subordination, most simply pathologize and demonize it, painting it as something bad or even evil.

The debate is so lopsided that all the pro-genocide side has to do is sprinkle a few special words into their argument - "nazi", "racist", "xenophobe", "extremist" - to end any debate. Arguing against such rhetoric is taken as an affirmation that you are what they say you are.
Strømmen stressed to Aftenposten that he has no theory as to what’s really created the right-wing extremists in Norway like Vikernes, Breivik and Fjordman, while Anders Jupskås at the University of Oslo thinks the issue should be researched. Strømmen does think Fjordman spreads a dangerous ideology, though, because he indirectly inspires violence by indicating that armed resistance is the only alternative against Islam, and that western leaders have betrayed their people.
These intellects don't have a theory because the most rational theory - that foreigners are what breeds fear of foreigners, that genocide is what inspires anti-genocidal rhetoric and even violence - is unthinkable to them. At least where Whites are the victims, rather than the perpetrators. These are not the high-minded, neutral researchers they pretend to be, but partisans that either firmly believe that there is no such thing as Whites, never mind indigenous Whites, or that Whites have no legitimate cause to resist a regime - their government, media and academia - deliberately inflicting conditions that are bringing about their physical destruction.

Breivik police question ‘Fjordman’, 4 August 2011:
The anonymous blogger “Fjordman,” who is repeatedly referenced in the manifesto of Oslo and Utøya terrorist attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik, was being questioned by Norwegian police on Thursday afternoon after authorities found out his real identity. The international links between Breivik and other far right groups have also continued to be revealed, as well as the suspect’s financial details and a number of other new facts about the case.
Spokesperson Pål-Fredrik Hjort Kraby told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) that “Fjordman” was seen as an “especially central” witness for the case given the influence he appears to have had on the suspect.

“Fjordman” had finished his own blog in 2005 but made a public statement on the Gates of Vienna website after the Oslo and Utøya attacks to reject claims that he was Breivik. The blogger said that he “extremely disliked” being mentioned in Breivik’s writings, claiming that he has “never” met the terror suspect. He had continued to contribute to such foreign far right websites after ending his own blog.
Fjordman's statement on Breivik is here: Thoughts on the Recent Atrocities.

‘Fjordman’ reveals identity, 5 August 2011:
36 year-old Peder Jensen has given an interview to Norwegian newspaper VG where he reveals that he is the man behind the “Fjordman” blog referenced repeatedly in the online manifesto of Oslo and Utøya attacks suspect Anders Behring Breivik.

After being identified by the police and subsequently questioned on Thursday afternoon, Jensen met reporters from VG at an Oslo café. He chose to use his real name after receiving advice from a lawyer, and has asked the media to leave him and his family alone. He also confirmed that he would never again use the pseudonym “Fjordman” because he does not “wish to be associated with Breivik and his horrible actions.”
Exchanged emails with Breivik

Jensen told VG that he had “warned” his family in advance about shedding his anonymity, adding that “because of my own safety, I’m now going into hiding.” He had felt it was his “duty” to cooperate with the police investigation and decided to be interviewed under his real name because it “eventually would have emerged anyway, resulting in a media frenzy.” Jensen commented, “it is also a way for me to clear my name.”

The blogger disclosed that he had exchanged a number of emails with Breivik in 2009 and 2010. Breivik told Jensen that he was writing a book and asked if they could meet. Jensen turned down the offer “not because of his extreme views, but because he didn’t seem very interesting – like a vacuum cleaner salesman.” “‘Pie in the sky,’ I thought to myself when I re-read the emails,” Jensen added. He confirmed investigators had confiscated his computer, stressing that “they won’t find anything on my computer regarding any criminal matters or Breivik.” VG suggests that Jensen “feels that the police are looking to implicate him.”

In further excerpts of the interview reported by news agency NTB, Jensen said, “I recognize that people need a scapegoat, and now that Breivik is behind bars, I can become a handy scapegoat, especially because I am the only Norwegian he referenced.” He added that he understood that he could be regarded as “a hate object.”
In terms of Jensen’s background, VG reports that he originally comes from the town of Ålesund on the west coast of Norway. He claims that while he has long voted for the Labour Party and voted for the Progress Party more recently, he has never been a part of a Norwegian political party, and has only handled a gun during military service, where he describes himself as “no good soldier.” He holds a masters degree in culture and technology from the University of Oslo, where he completed a dissertation on “censorship and blogging in Iran.” He also studied Arabic at the American University in Cairo and the University of Bergen.
Despite the significance of the issue, these articles make no mention of Breivik or Fjordman's professed love of jews and hatred of nazis. As Jensen himself has found it convenient to scapegoat "nazis", he speaks with authority on that subject.

At any rate, the sanction the media heaps upon simple writers like Fjordman, to which the government may eventually add, illustrates the point I made above. The idea that the responsibility for the crimes and violence committed by alien interlopers lies with them never comes up for debate, much less the indirect responsibility that belongs to their enablers and apologists. What gets the media spotlight instead is even more indirect - those bad, evil people who supposedly cause anti-immigrant crimes and violence with their "extremist" ideas and rhetoric against crime, violence and the supporters of genocidal immigration and multiculturalism who enable and defend it.

(Views and News from Norway link via a comment by Rollory on Kay on Breivik on "The Jew".)

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Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Blog: Pinning Anders Breivik on a blogger, Andrew Bostom, American Thinker.

Bostom fails to acknowledge the scope of the scapegoating. Not content to blame Breivik, or Fjordman, many rational thinkers who favor genocidal levels of immigration and multiculturalism have written many widely published and read articles pathologizing and demonizing anyone who argues against immigration or multiculturalism.

8/05/2011 10:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Mary said...

lol, my God what a crazy ride it has been since our fun over @ GOV with "Peder" (Fjordman).

I agree wuth Rollary's comment.
ALso----I was shocked to discover the guy is younger than me! I thought he was supposed to be some kind of wise old ancient scholar??
If this is the man who is supposedly "saving the West" (as the Baron's dedication to him states), then we are indeed in worse shape than I thought.

8/05/2011 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The regime is metaphorically pounding their fist on the table and calling the opposition names. That is near the tipping point - now if only the populace would develop some nerve and stand up for themselves!

"When the law favors you, argue the law; when the facts favor you argue the facts; when neither the law nor facts favor you, pound your fist on the table and call the opposition names."

8/05/2011 03:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This info, if true, makes "stuff" even more interesting ...

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/joeblow/fjordman-jew-or-least-definitely-ashkenazi-khazar-descent

8/05/2011 03:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The regime doesn't want to argue in good faith because the two argument outcomes are losing and anti-Norwegian.

(1) In the unlikely event that multi-culturalism actually works, why are the Norwegians sharing their patrimony with Arabs who have incredible oil wealth among themselves? Lets see, the muslims get to keep their countries pristine of infidels and we don't? Even this outcome is non-wining.

(2) If the regime is wrong, and muslims bide their time until a demographic tipping point is reached, and a genocidal civil war ensues, see e.g.,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LIJ__XwefI

than this outcome is obviously insane. Why would any sane regime risk either of these outcomes? No one gambles everything when there is absolutely no reason that such ruinous wagers be placed. The only reason why fanatics would press arguments in light of these outcomes is because they are, quite frankly, suicidal traitors.

8/05/2011 03:54:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"they are, quite frankly, suicidal traitors"

Most of the pundits I link and quote in Kay on Breivik on "The Jew" see jews as having more in common with muslims than Whites. They are not traitors but enemies. They also aren't suicidal. They promote and defend open borders and multiculturalism because they think those things are good for diaspora jews.

8/05/2011 06:44:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Facility for language, jewfro, poor eyesight, leftist/hippie-dippy even-more-jewish-looking father... quite a few jewish markers. This would explain why he writes essays like Why Israel’s Struggle Is Our Struggle, Too.

8/05/2011 07:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is an important distinction - that fifth columnists are reverting to form and opening the gates to the enemy. But what exactly would you call a totally ethnic Norwegian who supports multiculturalism to the point of race replacement/ethnic cleansing? Brainwashed? Foolish? Self-hating? Or merely suffering from the lack of a persuasive rhetorical argument that defuses the sophistry of the enemy? You tell me.

8/05/2011 07:17:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

I took issue with Fjordman last year over his misidentification of genocide as suicide: The Suicide Meme.

8/05/2011 07:26:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"what exactly would you call a totally ethnic Norwegian who supports multiculturalism to the point of race replacement/ethnic cleansing?"

If they support such policies from a position of power or authority then they are traitors, guilty of treason. In such circumstances it is not possible to not know the terrible impact immigration and multiculturalism is having on their ethnic group. For whatever reason - ambition, greed, conformance, a desire to be on the side they perceive to be winning - they are in fact betraying their own kind in favor of others

8/05/2011 07:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The PM of Norway ought to be questioned by the police every time a black or Muslim rapes or mugs a Norwegian. Surely his actions, policies, statements and beliefs are directly linked to those hate crimes.

8/05/2011 09:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The extreme and hateful rhetoric found on many of the sites, Strømmen told newspaper Aftenposten this week, “is so uncomfortable that those wanting a factual and rational debate pull out. That leaves the debate to more and more extremists on the left and the right.”

What a sanctimonious prick he is.

Im sure most of us here have tried to have "a factual and rational debate". If we try that online we end up banned, ignored or vilified by these cry-baby 'moderates'.

8/05/2011 09:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suppose one interesting fallout from this, the treatment being meted out to Fjordman, is it must reveal to some peripheral anti-jihadi types just how false and unteneble their ideological position is.

They've made all the right noises, support for Isreal, conservatism etc etc and where has it got them? The MSM, the state poking them with the shit end of the stick.

Not that wasnt happening anyway but the heat has been turned up.

Maybe some of them will wake up or retreat into full multicultural support mode. Either way, good riddance.

8/05/2011 09:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more to add to Tan's list of "jewish markers."

Who could go into "hiding" during an apparently internation police investigation and "media frenzy." He grants one interview then politely asks reporters not to bother his friends of family.

I submit that Fjordman/Jensen will completely disappear from public view. No more prying reporters, no more Fjordman, no more Peder Jensen. He's made a deal for protection in exchange for cooperation.

Under current circumstances, state authorities are the only ones who could provide that level of protection, including at the very least an undisclosed location and false identities for himself and his family. What else is he getting courtesy of Norwegian taxpayers? Free airline tickets to a kibbutz?

This is like the Witness Protection Program in the US and Fjordman/Peder Jensen could not pull this off on his own.

8/06/2011 05:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two typos in anon post above.

Should be "international police investigation"

and "friends and family."

8/06/2011 06:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has Hunter Wallace at Occidental Dissent fallen off the deep end? Latest posts make no sense.

8/06/2011 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

I'd prefer to see more evidence than just "he looks funny".

Resorting to "he must be a Jew" as a default explanation for opposition leads to overlooking valid reasons for opposition. The Nazis at least dug through genealogical records.

"Has Hunter Wallace at Occidental Dissent fallen off the deep end? Latest posts make no sense."

It would not be the first time. When OD was Odessa Syndicate and he was posting about Obama, he was brilliant. Then he started unquestioningly believing too much James Howard Kunstler and posted incoherent rant after incoherent rant about Tetragrammaton mixed in with personal messages addressed to Morris Dees. As I understand it there were previous cycles in previous years too. He's not to be relied upon.

8/06/2011 07:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone interested in Hunter Wallace should have a good look at these archived threads ("Feyd Harkonnen" = Hunter Wallace) that got leaked from a secret forum he was part of:

http://thephora.net/Prozium.aka.Feyd_degeneracy_archive/

I don't know how he has any supporters at all, given all the stuff that is out there about him.

8/06/2011 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38977_Breivik_Inspiration_Fjordman_Reveals_Identity - "Breivik Inspiration 'Fjordman' Reveals Identity"

Charles Johnson, a former counter-jihadi luminary who a few years ago split with his compatriots because they weren't concerned enough about what's good for non-Whites, writes:

"I strongly encourage any journalists writing about the no-longer anonymous blogger ‘Fjordman’ to actually read what this person has written, because you’ll discover that his disavowals and deflections are designed to cover up not only far right opinions, but overt white supremacism. Over the years, Peder Jensen has become increasingly open about his racism, and it’s quite easy to find examples in his recent writings."

. . .

"Bostom is trying to get his audience to overlook the fact that Breivik’s ideology and motivations were exactly identical to the ideology of Fjordman and the “counter-jihad” bloggers."

Johnson, like Bostom, is trying to get his audience to overlook the fact that pundits in the broader media, who are just as anti-White/anti-"racist" as he is, have already gone way beyond Breivik or his direct inspirations, and they are busy painting any White who fears the consequences of genocidal levels of immigration and multiculturalism as, to use Johnson's term, "deranged".

Perhaps realizing that his post amounted to nothing but name-calling, Johnson tacked on an update citing Fjordman's essay Gates of Vienna: The Coming Crash, quoting the portions where Fjordman uses the word white. Because in Johnson's mind advocating for Whites is the epitome of evil.

The portion Johnson excerpts contains two key elements of Bob's Mantra - this is happening in all White countries and only White countries, and they call you a nazi for saying so. Bravo Fjordman.

The beef Johnson and others have with analyses of the past, present and future from even a tentatively pro-White point of view like Fjordman's isn't that such a view is negative, or even incorrect - but is based on their premise that only a morally or mentally defective person could dream of defending White people. In many cases their critique is accompanied by their own analysis of the past, present and future from an anti-White, pro-somebody-else point of view. It's not the analysis they have a problem with, it's the White part.

8/06/2011 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

One and only one genocide will never be excused, as all moral issues must be studied in its light.

At Auschwitz, future U.S. military leaders learn what not to do

8/06/2011 08:48:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"I'd prefer to see more evidence than just "he looks funny"."

He looks jewish. His father even more so. Considered together with his pro-jew, pro-Israel, anti-"nazi" moralizing the hypothesis that he's at least partially genetically jewish is a more parsimonious explanation of his behavior than the hypothesis that's he's 100% Norwegian and inexplicably just happens to put jews and Israel on equal or higher footing to Norwegians and Europeans in general.

Jews have a long history of crypsis, AKA "passing", while maintaining their jewish identity and loyalty. It's not our fault for noticing this pattern of behavior and suspecting we're witnessing yet another example.

8/06/2011 08:54:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Is Fjordman's father of Egyptian jewish heritage? Did he raise little Fjordman with lachrymose stories about jewish life in Egypt? Is that why Fjordman went to study Arabic in Cairo? Is that why he adores the ideas of Egyptian jewess Bat Ye'or? Is that why he regards jews and Israel as an integral, inseparable part of the West and attacks those who don't?

These are perfectly rational questions.

8/06/2011 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Apologies for the discombobulated LGF link above. Use this one.

I don't have a problem linking Johnson directly, but he has a habit of redirecting incoming links from sites he doesn't like.

8/06/2011 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Tanstaafl: "He looks jewish."

True.

But this blog has a hair-trigger on the Jewish and crypto-Jewish accusation thing. I've copped it. I know where my loyalties lie. Unamused has copped it. As far as I know he is solidly pro-White too.

It's reasonable to ask questions about Fjordman. But I've answered such questions and found my answers unpersuasive.

Suspicion that's easily aroused by nothing or next to nothing and that is hard to allay doesn't count for much.

8/06/2011 09:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have historical precedent on our side. Every time you enter an argument bring up the concept of tipping point - once a certain demographic level is reached, the heretofore minority will seek dominance and bloodshed will ensue. Ask these mindless fools why this will be different, and bring up recent situations like Lebanon, Cyprus and Kosovo. Add a few clips from youtube about Lebanon and other atrocities (e.g., the French in Algeria) and let them call you names.

8/06/2011 09:21:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"Who could go into "hiding" during an apparently internation police investigation and "media frenzy." He grants one interview then politely asks reporters not to bother his friends of family."

When Jensen condemns Breivik he condemns himself. As Fjordman he wrote millions of words in ostensible defense of Europe and Europeans, and yet once again he is demonstrating an unwillingness to defend that defense.

It is not condoning Breivik's violence to point out that Breivik's apparent motive was frustration with the long-term and ongoing rape, murder, displacement, dispossession and ultimate destruction of his own people. These are legitimate concerns rooted in reality. They are not illegitimized by Breivik's actions. They are not illegitimized by Fjordman/Jensen turning tail. The wide-spread broad-brush anti-White bashing and witchhunt Breivik triggered only reinforces our concerns. Just as the advocates of the anti-White regime keep telling everyone, the "debate", such as it is, is bigger than one or two individuals.

8/06/2011 10:10:00 AM  
Anonymous RED said...

"They promote and defend open borders and multiculturalism because they think those things are good for diaspora jews".


It may be good for jews, but at the same time they know multiculturalism is culture distorting and ultimately White genocide, and that is the jews' primary goal.

The bottom line on Breivik was that he understood that no matter what his approach or argument, he or anyone else could provide to these bleeding hearts about the destruction multiculturalism is responsible for in White Norway, he would merely be dismissed as a racist or zenophobe by this insane minority. He understood that legal methods for making serious change have not worked; do not work. The minority in power, trumps what the majority wants, over and over, and arrogantly moves forward in their destruction of all White countries without retribution .... until now.

8/06/2011 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"But this blog has a hair-trigger on the Jewish and crypto-Jewish accusation thing."

. . .

"Suspicion that's easily aroused by nothing or next to nothing and that is hard to allay doesn't count for much."

Indubitably. In most places there is a far hairy trigger on the nazi and crypto-nazi accusation thing.

The suspicions here about Fjordman were initially aroused purely by his arguments, as is plain in previous comments. Many people, including myself, have until now taken Fjordman's purported Norwegian identity at face value. Now that I can see his face I suspect I was wrong.

8/06/2011 11:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Tanstaafl, you're right about "the nazi and crypto-nazi accusation thing."

Which reminds me:

Anonymous: "Im sure most of us here have tried to have "a factual and rational debate". If we try that online we end up banned, ignored or vilified by these cry-baby 'moderates'."

That matches my experience.

8/06/2011 12:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imagine all these years of writing. Hundreds of essays, thousands of comments on blogs, etc.

Only to go out with a major whimper like this. He didn't even defend his writings. He just said he "understood" why everybody hates him or some such BS.

What was the point?

8/06/2011 01:12:00 PM  
Anonymous n/a said...

Rollory,

"He's not to be relied upon."

Not to be relied upon to do what? Post his opinions on the internet? I don't see how the occasional manic episode -- two in however many years -- renders the rest of his writing less lucid.

8/06/2011 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, it does precisely that, n/a.

8/06/2011 02:06:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Thanks Tan for this post. Wow!

I look forward for more conclusive evidence than his father’s pics.

Recently Greg Johnson asked me at Occidental Dissent (!) if I considered “the Vienna School” (GoV?) as a Jewish school in the sense of those schools of thought analyzed in MacDonald’s CofC. I replied that I didn’t know because I ignored if Fjordman and Conservative Swede were telling the truth: that they were of pure Scandinavian origin.

Now that doubts have been casted on Fjordie, I can only hope that Con Swede’s real identity is outed too. I only know Swede’s first name, Eric. If like Peder Eric turns to be half-Jew or something it seems that only Ned May (Baron Bodyssey) is the gentile of the group. (In my collection of GoV’s heavy weights I include Ned, Peder [Fjordman], Eric and “Takuan Seiyo”.) If Peder and Eric have substantial Jewish blood in their veins, MacDonald’s suspicion (according to that Greg post at OD), that the Vienna School is typical of the CofC paradigm, would solve the mystery.

Re: OD

Changing subjects, as some of you know, psychiatry and anti-psychiatry were my fields of interest, as you can see from my contributions to the English Wikipedia with my real name.

Yes: I see a manic albeit harmless episode at OD. For some geniuses manic episodes were good for their creative moments. For others (like Nietzsche, whom Hunter alluded today) the episodes were catastrophic.

I see Hunter as someone who, like lots of people I’ve met including members of my family, has not processed his inner pain of what happened in childhood and/or adolescence. Many of these people are very smart but their minds are not always their best friends. I wish that my five-volume Hojas Susurrantes were available in English in the net: it could help…

Hunter: if you happen to read this post, take a look at the Wikipedia article on Alice Miller that I edited. Miller was what William Pierce used to call “a good Jew [or Jewess].” After her name was changed in Nazi times for another that sounded more “Aryan,” Miller never tried to make further contact with her Jewish roots. She died last year and I exchanged some correspondence with her.

Don’t miss her work…

8/06/2011 05:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But this blog has a hair-trigger on the Jewish and crypto-Jewish accusation thing. I've copped it. I know where my loyalties lie. Unamused has copped it. As far as I know he is solidly pro-White too.

Uh, Unamused has admitted that he's half Jewish and that's certainly reflected in his writing.

8/06/2011 06:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see Hunter as someone who, like lots of people I’ve met including members of my family, has not processed his inner pain of what happened in childhood and/or adolescence.

His personality pretty much screams "child of alcoholics". I wouldn't expect him to change, though.

8/06/2011 06:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

You cannot at any time be sure that you are dealing with brilliant Prozium as opposed to nutcase Prozium. Since he keeps going through this cycle repeatedly, you're guaranteed that at some point you _are_ dealing with nutcase Prozium, and you have to constantly second-guess both him and yourself to be sure of which is which. Maybe it's extremely visible, maybe it's just bad enough to send him subtly off into the weeds a little; you have to stop and do some work to decide for yourself.

By all means read him and take what he produces that is good, but don't count on him to be present and useful and correct at any particular time when he might be needed. That's what I mean by not relying on him.

8/06/2011 06:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

Unamused is also not reflexively hostile to the idea of "maybe Jews have something to do with all this". As I recall his comment was that he hadn't looked into it and wasn't yet planning on focusing one way or the other on that issue, which is about as reasonable as one could ask for, particularly given the stellar quality of what he DOES put out.

8/06/2011 06:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

Regarding Unamused, I should also point this out:

http://unamusementpark.com/2011/07/nazis-versus-blacks/

It's really not fair to start calling him out as having suspect loyalties or anything of the sort. He's done nothing to deserve that sort of treatment.

8/06/2011 08:21:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

From a comment at TOO, Does the Norway Atrocity Make Nationalism Illegitimate?

"Breivik’s seventy-seven victims are pictured here:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4187189.ece

Forty-three of the Norwegian dead were of the age of legal consent. Twelve were of age (17 years) to join the United States armed forces and die in war, if provided parental consent. Sixteen were children of 16 and under.

Politics is protracted, low-intensity warfare. It is neither victimless, nor its victims in death fewer in number or less dead than those killed by military action. In North America, Europe, Australia, and southern Africa underclass whites below age of legal consent die every day as a result of Marxist social policy and global capitalism. In the war for control of our destiny the Norwegian children recently killed are “collateral damage,” just as innocents killed by bombs dropped on enemies of the United States and its NATO allies are collateral damage. With western nations being little more than fishtanks with environments externally managed by a jew-gentile elite, the concept of civil legitimacy is an illusion. If Breivik is a thug, then he is morally indistinguishable from the state-sanctioned thugs who enforce multiracialism and feminism.
"

8/06/2011 08:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Well I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who had picked up that Hunter Wallace was in a manic high phase eg: I wasn’t making any sense because I was almost signing and preaching what I had discovered in my own mind., It was a Preacher Man moment, a moment of great euphoria over an amazing discovery, but I am completely fine.

I know how he feels as I get that sensation and mood every time I drink (ha ha!) but hangover's are good for putting things in perspective. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Nothing wrong as in "bad/immoral" with it (mental illness per se), as Chechar points out many productive people who have made positive changes for society have had some form of mental illness. Likewise many people who have made changes for the worse have had mental illness, so the illness is neither here nor there but rather the outcome and more importantly the well being of the person undergoing difficulties or enlightenment.

I noticed his upswing with the advent of SBPDL's "BRA" meme and then the high phase 'eureka!' post Breivik.

Wallace has a history of suddenly changing tactics and strategy from a blinding road to Damascus type of moment where people and past gets purged.

From that perspective I agree with Rollory that ...don't count on him to be present and useful and correct at any particular time when he might be needed. That's what I mean by not relying on him. In many ways Wallace/Prozium is emblematic of Judeo-American foreign policy, it chops and changes so much as to who's in and who's out, who's the bad guy one minute is suddenly the good guy the next that one needs be cautious when dealing with it.

Back OT, where did the pic of Fjordman/Peder come from? I checked the links and can't see it in any of the news articles only the linked blog above. And just so how are we sure the pic of his old man is really his old man? If they are both factual then I'd agree with Tan that there's a Jewish/Ashkenazi element there.

Check out Michael Jackson, The Beer Hunter. He looks very similar to Peders Dad. From wiki "His father Isaac Jakowitz had Anglicised his Lithuanian Jewish surname to Jackson." For the record, Jackson is one of the men I admire most regardless of any Jewish connection.

But still, with regard Peder and GoV crowd, it all is starting to make sense.

8/06/2011 08:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But still, with regard Peder and GoV crowd, it all is starting to make sense.

I wouldnt be surprised to find something similar regarding 'Paul Kersey' the man behind SBDL and BRA.

Not to say he hasnt been useful in pointing certain things out. His DWL term is handy.

8/06/2011 08:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Yes, I have been thinking the same about Kersey and SBDL. He sure gets a lot of links from Auster and gets his comments posted there.

Though he has done great work exposing the duplicity of the MSM with regard Black crime and rampage the term BRA is absurd.

It'd be like me unleashing a pack of pit bulls into a neighbour's chicken pen and calling it Pit Bull Run Coop. Blacks don't run America, they are unleashed on America.

It's one thing to keep pointing out the symptoms as Kersey does where all the doctors refuse to notice them and another to blame the symptoms on the symptoms.

Blacks have been enabled to do what they are doing. Simple as that. Find the enablers and you halt the problem.

8/06/2011 09:06:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “But still, with regard Peder and GoV crowd, it all is starting to make sense.”

Absolutely, Pat. And let’s not forget that the spiritual mother of counter-jihad, as Tan said above, Bat Ye’or, is a Jewess.

Robert Spencer may be Christian. But he is clearly of Semitic ancestry and was born in a Middle East country. If we remember his photos waving Israel flags he can be classified in what the Jew Albert Lindemann calls Judaized gentiles: a very important concept to understand the “gentile” Bolsheviks like Lenin.

Similarly, after my last exchange with Conservative Swede (Eric) about the JQ, at Mangan’s, he promised to purchase MacDonald’s CofC. But then he told me in his blog that my JQ quest had driven him out of the blogosphere. Why? He wouldn’t tell me.

If Fjordie’s dad is indeed an Ashkenazi, Fjordman/Peder would be exactly in the same existential dilemma as our old friend Takuan Seiyo. You cannot serve two masters: you will end up hating one of them to love the other.

The other big figure in counter-jihad, Auster, is of pure Jewish ancestry.

Ned “Baron” May would be the proverbial gentile face that Jewish groups always employ as useful idiots in the intellectual movements recorded in CofC.

(Of course: we need further evidence if Fjordman/Peder is a half-Jew.)

8/06/2011 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

In hindsight it is quite clear that the whole counter-jihad movement is infested with Jew genes.

Having had the evolution in my learning starting with Tan and all his links it is quite clear the whole thing is a mish mash of Jews, half Jews, and Jew lovers. Everything, everything comes back to Israel.

I first started with Tim Blair (an Oz blogger who was one of that crowd at the time), found that maniac at Little Green Footballs and from there went to GoV. I was pretty much on board the whole anti-jihad thing given that I always avail myself of information and actually read what Bin Laden had to say and read a lot of the Koran and met Muslims in person.

But the whole Israel uber alles never sat well with me and what set me off was Auster's constant adulation of Churchill, a well known disgrace to White history that only a Jew or a rabid Pom could love.

One of the things about that whole crowd is how hysterical they get and how prone to massive idiotic bitch sessions and infighting. It's a matter of great laughs to me to see how Charles Johnson turned against them all and to see how much they hate him now.

It has become apparent, a eureka of sorts, that Israel love is like a mental disease of the worst kind. It eats you up and turns you inside out. Truth is subordinate to the idol "Israel" so much so these people consume themselves with obsessive hate screeds, interrogations, pack hunting, and in-group reinforcement of "ways to think". What makes it a particularly vicious sort of mental illness is that these people aren't aware of their racial attachment.They feel it, instinctively, but are oblivious to what drives them.

Out and out Jews are relatively easy to handle, it is the unaware Jews, and I'd classify Auster in those ranks (he kids himself he's a Christian), that are particularly pernicious.

If this Breivik character is all that he's made out to be you can see the end point of the unaware Jew mischlings. Lord how they struggle with their hate not knowing from whence it derives.

8/06/2011 09:43:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “Out and out Jews are relatively easy to handle, it is the unaware Jews, and I'd classify Auster in those ranks (he kids himself he's a Christian), that are particularly pernicious.”

The ultimate form of Taqiya in fact. But what bothers me the most are those of pure gentile ancestry (like Ned May and his wife) that have Israel as their true Golden calf.

8/06/2011 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Being sincerely sympathetic to "the Baron" and Dymphna, it seems to me that their personal trauma with the loss of their one and only child has found a cause in Israelism.

Maybe it's a form of substitute like Judeo-Americans have been duped into selling their inheritance for a mess of pottage and, finding themselves nationless/parentless/childless have substituted Israel for their own lost nationalism.

As we learned at GoV they have a threadbare existence financially propped up by Jewish donations.

It's tragic. But that is certainly how it comes across.

Also, the natural fear of Islam and Muslim terrorists finds its apogee with the constant threat that Israel finds from the very same people. But Israeli's are permitted, nay enthusiastically urged to hold fast to their identity in the face of "the other" whereas Ned and Dymphna have had their nation disappeared out from under them.

Israel is like a surrogate child and mother all at once.

I don't mean to be nasty at all with this analysis. As I say I am truly sympathetic to their situation.

But you'd have a better grip on it than me Chechar. What do you make of their Israelism fundamentalism and how it has come about?

8/06/2011 10:18:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “…the loss of their one and only child has found a cause in Israelism”

Never heard of it. The last time I remember the “Barons” talking about their adult child was last year. He was sick but alive and by then they already were staunch philo-Semites.

@ “But you'd have a better grip on it than me Chechar.”

Well… in 2009 I received some emails from Dymphna. It looks like she has the same problem of our friend Hunter: unprocessed pain from the parental wounds inflicted during childhood. Trauma means unprocessed pain. Unprocessed pain leads to all sort of mental disorders. BTW, don’t believe what bio-psychiatry wants to sell us—pills of happiness—: the fact is that psychiatry hasn’t demonstrated that mental disorders are biomedical entities (cf what I say here).

What our old friend Hunter and poor Dymphna badly need is come to terms with their traumatic past. This is very difficult: processing traumas is like watching your heart operation through a mirror on the operating table. That’s why most people chose alcohol, drugs, cults or even the whole gamut of neuroses and psychoses as defense mechanisms.

I am telling this with no intent of degrading those who suffer unprocessed traumas, since 99.9 of psychotherapies do *not* process psychological traumas at all. Instead of quack therapies, I recommended Dymphna (and now Hunter) to become familiar with Alice Miller’s stuff.

But Dymphna rejected my advice...

8/06/2011 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Oh, I didn't know they had other children not that I am a devotee of GoV.

Dymphna gives the run down of the genesis for them taken payments from Jews and GoV here and here.

Dymphna says:

"1. The Baron was concerned about my deep grieving over the death of my daughter. Knowing that my intellect needed to be gainfully employed in order to distract my mind from Shelagh's sudden demise, he suggested we do a blog together."

Dymphna's health is or was poorly:

"10. By then my health (fibromyalgia mostly) had deteriorated to the point that my fatigue and faulty proprioception was causing me to spend a lot of time in bed so as not to be a danger when out of it...the Baron was concerned about taking a job that required commuting. When you live in the middle of nowhere, you commute. I ASKED him to stay home if possible and live on our savings and whatever odds and ends of work came his way. Plus donations."

She paints quite a depressing picture of their circumstances that one can only feel pity.

There was another mention of their deceased daughter recently in one of their posts explaining themselves and GoV to the general public after Breivik, but I can't find it right now.

Obviously, for Dymphna and by necessity "the Baron" it is a prime motivation.

8/07/2011 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chechar.


After almost 100 years, the Russian government officially announced Lenin was jewish. Information on his jewishness is now posted in a Lenin memorial or museum somewhere in Russia. This was a fairly big story a few weeks back if you didn't see it check it out.

Lenin was a crypto, not a judaized gentile.

8/07/2011 04:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just think, in 100 years maybe we'll get to learn Obama/Soetoro is jewish.

8/07/2011 04:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

100 years of hiding the fact the great mass murderer was a jew. Who's next? Stalin?

8/07/2011 04:21:00 AM  
Blogger Deogolwulf said...

Conservative Swede has pulled the plug, it seems.

8/07/2011 05:18:00 AM  
Anonymous WLWheeler said...

You can add Steve Sailor, who is a Roman Catholic, who called Breivik, evil and a monster.

He is another weenie Catholic. They have no words for the multiculturalists. They have no words or ad hominem attacks for the Ted Kennedys of this world. They have no words against political correctness.

It is funny that John Brown is hailed as a hero at the time of his crimes by the Abolitionists, but Breivik is evil. John Brown is Good.

I wrote to Steve Sailor about Menechim Begin who was a party to the King David Bombing. Menachim Begin was a terrorist. He became Prime Minister of Israel. It is alright to be a zionist terrorist, Steve Sailor wouldn't post my comment regarding this. Steve Sailor gives John Brown and Menachim Begin a pass but Breivik is a monster. The thousands of academics that push and condone Political Correctness are not called "evil" or "monsters" but Breivik is one.

You should do a study on the treasonous activity of Steve Sailor. And Steve Sailor has no program or plan on fighting political correctness. He is just another weenie Catholic.

8/07/2011 06:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Steve Sailer is a good guy. Like Jared Taylor, he decided long ago how far he was willing to go, and he has stuck to his limits. He does good within a limited scope.

That's different from the counter-jihadists who are essentially flushing away everything they've said.

8/07/2011 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Also, I don't see how people can be called "weenies" for taking the stigmatized pro-White side of dangerous topics, and blogging under their own names.

8/07/2011 07:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

I think it's worth saying a kind word for anyone who's consistently pro-White, sane, and willing to defend their positions properly.

Which, for instance lets Conservative Swede out.

8/07/2011 07:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fallout from the Breivik massacre has been interesting. The "Counter-Jihad" movement has taken a beating, and a lot of people outside the pro-White movement have chalked Breivik up as a Zionist, and not a "Nazi", which has been nice.

There has also been a major rift exposed in the pro-White movement, with one side generally viewing Breivik as one of us who killed some multiculturalists who had it coming, and the other side viewing him as a crazed neocon who killed anti-Israel protesters, possibly as part of a Mossad operation. It's been interesting to see who has been on which side of this dispute. Certainly hasn't shaken out like I would have expected.

8/07/2011 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Rollory said...

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/08/fjordman-my-afternoon-with-police.html

"Please remember that the police and the Police Security Service (PST) apparently had no clue who I was until I literally knocked on their door of my own free will,"

Look, how often does it have to be said. Do. Not. Cooperate. With. Police.

Obey their orders, do what they tell you. Volunteer nothing.

THEY ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE.

This was very very foolish of him and is likely to cause entirely avoidable problems for other people. Any problems he gets from this are entirely of his own making and his own responsibility.

8/07/2011 08:26:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Pat: this is the other blog where Fjordie’s photo also appears.

Anon, thanks for this vital piece of info on Lenin (I don’t read the papers or watch TV anymore).

So Conservative Swede / Eric’s blog got vaporized? Hmmm. Interesting. I think HE DID IT. How do I know? Because there used to be a hatnote in another of his blogs, Recent Comments at Gates of Vienna, something like: “Designed by Conservative Swede”. But that hatnote is now… gone.

Is Eric afraid that now with Fjordie’s PC in the police hands he might be implicated?

8/07/2011 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This was very very foolish of him and is likely to cause entirely avoidable problems for other people. Any problems he gets from this are entirely of his own making and his own responsibility.

Indeed, a few hours after I read that fragment on GoV I'm still astonished about what a foolish, stupid, naive move it was. As soon as Fjordman went to the police by his OWN will (police which was unaware who he was and it seems they were not even interested to find out!!), the policemen went to his appartment and took his computer. Which means that now the police knows the identity of all the people he corresponded or talked to on the Internet - via email, social networking places, group discussions etc. Which means that he put others in danger and their identities are now stored in the Norwegian police database, people that would have remained anonymous if he hadn't gone to the police himself, when the police was not even searching for him.

He said that he had been advised by his lawyer to go to the police. Which means that both the lawyer and him were so afraid of the consequences that they couldn't think rationally. Besides, both him and his lawyer were eager to cooperate with the police and to tell everything they knew about the "murderer" (Breivik). Yes, he willingfully cooperated with the state police against a Norwegian nationalist (Breivik again) - and then he (Fjordman) is disappointed and outraged that the police went at his place to confiscate his computer. Now, what did he expect? Hasn't he understood by now that cooperating with the police in a Western country means cooperating with the Bolsheviks? Can you expect honesty and fairness from the Bolsheviks? Did he write so many essays and articles about the new Big Brother Western state police in vain, because he cannot grasp the implications of his own writings? And can't he grasp the fact that if you cooperate with the state police against one of your own (even if he's a murderer), then the state police will turn against you, because in the eyes of the anti-white Leviathan we are all "Nazis", a peaceful counterjihadist or an ethnonationalist, a mild conservative or a hardline race realist. Knowing very well that in their eyes we are all the same and sooner or later we will get the same treatment, at least we can make the effort not to betray each other, no matter how many mistakes one of us does.

8/07/2011 09:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Forget about Lebanon, Cyprus and Algeria - how about Tottenham:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7H02HSip_c&feature=player_embedded#at=71

Let's see the Norwegian apparat deal with that

8/07/2011 09:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

On "the nazi and crypto-nazi accusation thing", while I have nothing to say except "yes" the admirable Justin at The Truth Shall Set You Free sharpens the point.

8/07/2011 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Sam Davidson said...

Compare Fjordman's face with Jewish Communist Denis Goldberg:

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mandela/goldberg.jpg

He's definitely got an Ashkenazi facial type... I'd say Fjordman looks even more Jewish than Goldberg considering his thick lower lip and curly hair.

8/07/2011 04:49:00 PM  
Blogger Svigor said...

I've been worried about HW since the Breivik thing broke. He does seem "manic," not that I really know WTF that means.

8/07/2011 09:16:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “not that I really know WTF that means”

Hint.

8/07/2011 10:22:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

A Brief Note From Fjordman: Closing Comments on Future Essays:

"Baron Bodissey said...

cumpa --

OK. I’ll explain the whole unpleasant mess in its entirety, so that maybe — just maybe — you might begin to understand why your concerns about Fjordman’s writings are so misplaced.

Fjordman has greatly disappointed portions of the White Nationalist movement. These are people who had respected him and had had great expectations for him. He has particularly disappointed those who are preoccupied with what they call the “Jewish Question” (JQ for short).

They reproached him for his failure to proceed to what they considered to be the logical conclusion of his work, which would have placed great emphasis on — surprise! — the nefarious role played by the Jews.

They believe that his failure to do so has done their own movement damage. They consider the overall effect of Fjordman’s betrayal to be harmful to the interests of the White Race.

This is why they have taken against him. Some of them have even floated the theory that Fjordman himself is a Jew, and in the pay of the Zionists.

You are afraid that Fjordman will become a dangerous simulacrum of Hitler, and yet the Jew-obsessed White Nationalists believe Fjordman is at best a crypto-Jew, and at worst a paid Zionist agent!

Now do you see how absurd your preoccupation is, given the above circumstances?

6/29/2011 10:24 PM
"

I just stumbled on this now. It seems to me an honest man, confident in his views, would have linked the position he was mocking.

As obsessed with jewish interests and as dominated by jews as the counter-jihad was previously, it will only become more so now that they have made it so crystal clear were their priorities lie. I believe this clarification is in the best interests of Whites. We should see to those interests rather than serving someone else's.

8/08/2011 12:58:00 AM  
Anonymous W Lindsay Wheeler said...

To the Baron Bodisseys of the world. And to those out there that the WN are obsessed unnaturally on the Jews.

In the book The Jewish Ethic and the Spirit of Socialism, on page 118, it says, Messianism envisions human existence as a three-part process, consisting of an original unity, a middle period in which man has "fallen" into history, and an eschatological final period. Messianism sees history as destined for the restoration of the original unity broken by the sin of Adam. The Jewish discontent with the present is rooted in the feeling of loss of this original harmony and the deep desire for its return. Jewish messianism understands the restoration of the original unity as a public, communal event which occurs on the stage of history. It is here that Jewish and Christian messianism have parted company.
Jewish messianism is about recreating a fictitious unity of mankind. In order to accomplish this THEY MUST DESTROY RACE/NATION. I would hope that the stupid Steve Sailors and Baron Bodissey's read Rosa Luxemburg's treatise The Nationalities Question. Karl Kautusky, a Jewish Austrian, wrote on the same thing! Karl Marx ended his manifesto with "All the workers of the world unite".

This Jewish conspiracy is NOT a myth. It is real. It is part of Tikkun Olam! Baron Bodissey with his blind obsession with things Israel is just a deceived old fool. Steve Sailor is a man without courage. Truth requires Manliness. And the Roman Catholic Church has the "Fear of the Jews". Without the suppression of the Jews, there is going to be no redress. Jews are hopelessly and intrinsically infected with messianism. It can't be helped.

8/08/2011 04:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not only is the "counter-Jihad" movement filled with nothing but Zionist Jews, to top it all off they are a bunch of wimps who run for the hills the moment they have the world's attention.

The Jews in the anti-Jihad movement have praised Breivik because they perceive what he did as helping Israel. This is divine judgment so to speak if it helps Israel. If they perceive it as helping Norway, then of course, Breivik is evil and should be condemned. Example: Larry Auster who condemned Breivik as an evil man but began to soften this stance the moment he found out that the people killed were condemning Israel. Then of course it more and more began to be an act of God instead of a murderous madman. This is the level Jew serving garbage you guys have in your so called anti-Jihad movement.

You guys are a bunch of losers. Many of you have been proven to be crypto Jews. I can look at Fjordman and know for a fucking fact that he aint White.

You have no credibility left. It has become blatantly obvious that you serve Jews lock stock and barrel and that means in essence that you are serving the Marxist establishment as well because all Jews to around 99% support massive immigration into our White countries.

Did Breivik just expose the entire anti-Jihad movement as crypto Jews and wimps? Enquiring minds want to know.

8/08/2011 05:17:00 AM  
Blogger W.LindsayWheeler said...

I want all to note all these Jews, Lawerence Auster, David Horowitz, Fjordman, et al., are all fomenting "anti-Jihad", talking about being anti-Muslim.

Aren't Muslims a Semitic people?

If there is consistency, wouldn't Europeans be against all Semites? Why allow one group to reign and run all over free and restrict another? Does that make sense? If one is to be anti-muslim, one must also be anti-juden.

The Jews have to be suppressed if we are going to save our culture. Being anti-Jihad, (whatever that means), but defending and upholding the freedom of the Jews, is hypocritical. We are being played. We are supposed to act like attack dogs by our Jewish handlers. Fjordham has been outed as one. We have hundreds more.

Jesus had his Judas, We have our Ten Thousands.

8/08/2011 08:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Captainchaos said...

"But this blog has a hair-trigger on the Jewish and crypto-Jewish accusation thing. I've copped it."

In your own case, it was your vehement defense of the traditional Hollowhoax narrative, and your (I suppose it is unavoidable to call it) 'lachrymose' description of your (you allege unsuccessful) quest to be accepted by the Jewish community that triggered the jewdar of some, including myself.

I mean, why would someone attempt to obsessively suck up to Jews unless they were at least partially Jewish or masochistically eccentric?

The proper thing to do for pro-White individuals of partial or full Jewish ancestry is to admit their Jewish ancestry, support Whites who wish to have politically sovereign physical separation from Jews, and of course openly proclaim the timeless virtues of Nordicism.

8/08/2011 07:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope Daybreaker isn't a Jew!

I want Whites, not Jews, to get credit for his intelligent comments!

8/08/2011 07:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Mary said...

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2005/08/open-letter-to-cindy-sheehan.html


http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/03/pennies-from-heaven.html

Chechar, both of these were penned by Dymphna.I was not familiar with the first, where she talks about her daughter and 3 other children......
But I have posted the second before. I still think it an absolutely gorgeous piece of writing on grief.

8/08/2011 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Anonymous (8/08/2011 07:45:00 PM): "I hope Daybreaker isn't a Jew!

I want Whites, not Jews, to get credit for his intelligent comments!"

Thanks.

And that which you hope to be true is true.

8/09/2011 07:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Re: Captainchaos: all I did was stick up for the mainstream history of the Second World War, not limited to the Holocaust but including a great many facts damning to Hitler, including my main objection, which I can sum up in in four words: too many Russian corpses! And then I did not launch unbidden into a personal history, "larychmose" or otherwise, I just answered Tanstaafl's questions. In retrospect, that was far too trusting and a mistake.

8/09/2011 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous RED said...

If this is a photo of Fjordman's father, there can be no doubt Fjordman is a jew.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/blog/joeblow/fjordman-jew-or-least-definitely-ashkenazi-khazar-descent

8/09/2011 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Oh, and as for "the timeless virtues of Nordicism", whoever clams to support "Whites" but not Slavs, Celts and Latins along with the Nordics, the English and the English-speaking newer nations can jump in an ocean as far as I'm concerned.

The different branches of the White race are all under attack, and we need an international common front.

8/09/2011 08:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Daybreaker said.

8/09/2011 08:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Thanks for the link RED.

8/09/2011 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another picture of Fjordman's father here:

http://www.nyttiuka.no/default.aspx?menu=617&id=33707

And here (from an article in Norwegian describing his involvement with the Socialist Youth League, specifically with a splinter faction that moved in a more "Marxist-Leninist" direction):

http://www.nyttiuka.no/default.aspx?menu=617&id=11612

8/09/2011 09:37:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

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8/09/2011 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Fjordman, “the best of us” or a master of taqiya?" (Or: Wheeler’s reply to Baron Bodissey)

8/09/2011 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous RED said...

Another picture of Fjordman's father here:

http://www.nyttiuka.no/default.aspx?menu=617&id=33707


HA-HA-HA ... and to think, the jew, fjordman, much like the jew, auster, casting aspersions and/or attempting to silence those who dare to bring up any aspect of the JQ.

8/09/2011 10:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

It's impossible to escape the impression that Fjordman took care to conceal a personal genetic / ethnic interest that was highly relevant to the issues of immigration and culture that he discussed, and that he abused the trust of those who defended him as an objective voice.

Because his handle tended to give an impression of his ethnic background that was misleading, I think we now have to say that every post and comment by Fjordman is a bit suspect, including the bit where it says "by Fjordman".

Good call, Tanstaafl. The questions you raised were on the mark.

Mary: "lol, my God what a crazy ride it has been since our fun over @ GOV with "Peder" (Fjordman)."

Mary, you couldn't be more right.

8/09/2011 10:41:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

The litmus test for any critic of the multicult is whether they can acknowledge the reality that it's mindset - that Whites/"the majority" must acquiesce to and accomodate the outsider - was created originally and specifically for the benefit of "the jews"; that this was done long before there were any other "immigrant"/"minority"/"victims" whose interests it could serve; and that jews have been it's foremost beneficiaries, right up until today.

Critics of the multicult who want to roll back the multicult only so far - say to exclude muslims or blacks - aren't really getting at the root of the problem, which is the mindset that the only good White is one who serves the interests of non-Whites. The analysis and proposed solutions of these dissemblers smacks of the hostile, self-interested way one exploiter might regard another who tries to latch onto it's mark. They care not so much for the mark as they do to defend their group's own privileged position exploiting it. They wish to inform and enlist their mark's aid only to the extent that it rids their own group of competition.

8/09/2011 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Scott said...

Tan, you have a way of distilling out the truth so pithily that sometimes I gotta just lean back and take a deep breath. Powerful stuff. I might also add that it goes beyond the fact that jews have been the biggest beneficiaries of the multiculti virus: they're also the only group with the cleverness to have created it, and even more importantly, the power to sustain it, which they do in countless subtle and unsubtle ways.

8/09/2011 06:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Jews are not the only group involved in this betrayal of white children. Elites such as the Bush family, Jimmy Carter,the queen of England are not jews but they are involved.

8/09/2011 06:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tan is a legend!

There are a few guys I see online who drill into a question like a laser.

Svigor is another one.

He really inspired me, some years back, to polish my argumets, get to the heart of the argument, to try harder.

And now Tan has appeared, another one to emulate if possible.

Disclaimer: I am not Svigor!

8/09/2011 07:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well thankyou blogger for buggering that last link!

8/09/2011 07:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chechar is an incisive writer too.

8/09/2011 07:58:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

I am editing the Metapedia article on Fjordman. If you want you join the Metapedia club would be great: the nationalist alternative to traitorous Wikipedia.

8/09/2011 10:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Greg Johnson said...

TAN, could you contact me at editor@counter-currents.com. I would like to talk to you about writing a piece for us on Fjordman, summarizing what has happened. You are the guy to write it, since you have been following the guy so closely.

Also, I would love to have an Auster obituary by you on file.

--Greg Johnson

8/09/2011 11:52:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Tan,

When you write that piece for CC, don’t forget to mention how Fjordie misled all of his gentile friends including the “Baron”. Take heed of what Daybreaker said above in one of his comments (that I republished in my latest article on Fjordman, here).

By the way, I have just been made a new administrator to Metapedia, which means that I can edit directly e.g. the Metapedia article on Fjordman. Any suggestions to improve the article (here if Tan doesn’t object, or at cesartort@yahoo.com) would be great.

Greg,

Is Auster already dying?

8/10/2011 09:24:00 AM  
Blogger Svigor said...

Thanks for the link Chechar.

And now Tan has appeared, another one to emulate if possible.

Disclaimer: I am not Svigor!


Thanks for the kind word. Tan does a much better job than I ever did, IMO. I find it much easier to deconstruct via comments than I do to write essays or long, ordered, detailed blog posts.

HA-HA-HA ... and to think, the jew, fjordman, much like the jew, auster, casting aspersions and/or attempting to silence those who dare to bring up any aspect of the JQ.

Pretty much all of the people who really take offense at "ANTI-SEMITISM!!!" fall into one of the following categories:

1. Jewish or part-Jewish ancestry.
2. Dependent on someone in category 1 for his livelihood.
3. Intimately attached to category 1 via marriage or other close relationship.
4. Dessicated old fossils with one foot in the grave, unable to change their crystallized thought-patterns this late in life.

In short, nobody worth giving a damn about.

The litmus test for any critic of the multicult is whether they can acknowledge the reality that it's mindset - that Whites/"the majority" must acquiesce to and accomodate the outsider - was created originally and specifically for the benefit of "the jews"; that this was done long before there were any other "immigrant"/"minority"/"victims" whose interests it could serve; and that jews have been it's foremost beneficiaries, right up until today.

Absolutely. Ab-so-lute-ly. It is glaringly obvious to even the casual student of history that Jews are the first "minority." If you haven't gleaned that from history, you haven't been paying attention. Just to belabor the point: this is obvious. It is not some weird conspiracy theory, or some fringe nut tinfoil-hat-wearing superstition, or some idiosyncratic revisionist interpretation of history. It's staring you right in the face when you look at the history of the multicult, minority rights, Jews in the west, etc.

8/10/2011 11:17:00 AM  
Blogger Svigor said...

Jews telegraphed the multicult by roughly 1500 years with their behavior in the west. Look at their history wherever they went in the west and you see their proto-multicultism. Or put more simply, their struggle for dominance against humanity wherever they go.

When they gained the upper hand, it was a "golden age." When humanity gained the upper hand, it was a "dark time."

8/10/2011 11:22:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “I find it much easier to deconstruct via comments than I do to write essays or long, ordered, detailed blog posts.” - Svigor

Svigor,

In JQ debates at Mangan’s and elsewhere I believe you are the best fencer in the WN blogosphere. Why don’t you cut-and-paste your best exchanges to your blog? I always do it in my blog: cutting and pasting selected exchanges that throw particular light on a subject. One of the best was precisely the exposing of Takuan Seiyo, where I copied-and-pasted more than one of your comments.

8/11/2011 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous in Norway said...

You should know that the name 'Jensen' in Norway is the equivalent of Smith or Jones -- very common and one that was sometimes(?)/often(?) adopted by immigrants to Norway in the past.

For instance, I know a family named Jensen the founding ancestor of which came from another European country to Norway in the mid-1800s. He changed his name to Jensen presumably to not stand out in the crowd too much.

Also, Peder Jensen and his father do not look like typical Norwegians.

8/11/2011 05:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Captainchaos said...

"Captainchaos: all I did was stick up for the mainstream history of the Second World War, not limited to the Holocaust but including a great many facts damning to Hitler,"

I think you are a man smart enough to understand that the version of history you prefer be the culturally dominant one comes with more consequences to all members of our race, those alive now, those yet to be, than a merely rote declamation of that history by itself could produce. This is precisely why you were then, and you are now, so thoroughly exercised by the matter.

So then, either when you wrote what I quote you as writing you did not fully think the matter through in all its implications or you were being less than forthright. Which is it?

"including my main objection, which I can sum up in in four words: too many Russian corpses!"

Let us see how that shoe looks when it is on the other foot. What of all those German men who died to prevent Stalin's own planned invasion of their native soil? What of all the millions of German women - not even the prepubescent and elderly spared - raped by Russian 'soldiers'?

"And then I did not launch unbidden into a personal history, "larychmose" or otherwise, I just answered Tanstaafl's questions."

Not unbidden, but one does get the clear sense you were unburdening yourself of something in a manner that smacked of your need at the moment for a type of priest-confessor figure. I suspect it was your existential anguish, per your partial Jewish ancestry, at having been rejected by the Jewish ancestral community; and hence your desire for acceptance by another community, the European ancestral community, per your partial European ancestry. We know by your own telling which was your first love. And no one ever said old loyalties die an easy death. One cannot cease to be what one is - of partial Jewish ancestry, as I suspect, in your case.

"In retrospect, that was far too trusting and a mistake."

What is there to fear in admitting the truth? As any good Catholic will tell you, confession is good for the soul.

"Oh, and as for "the timeless virtues of Nordicism","

Preserving the best racial stock is indeed a virtue in all times.

"The different branches of the White race are all under attack, and we need an international common front."

Yes. But why do you feel the need to insinuate that Northern European preservation is at loggerheads with preservation of all various branches of the White race?

8/12/2011 12:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Preserving the best racial stock is indeed a virtue in all times.

Which explains why the Russians died willingly to make room for the superior German supermen.

What of all those German men who died to prevent Stalin's own planned invasion of their native soil? What of all the millions of German women - not even the prepubescent and elderly spared - raped by Russian 'soldiers'?

Not a single German died to prevent Stalin's planned invasion of Germany.

The Germans died tying to steal Russian land.

Your doctrine of preemptive war being justified is nonsense. Only a reckless fool like George W. Bush and his war mongering supporters would agree with you.

You don't know what Stalin would or would not have done.

Hitler just used fears of an invasion to help whip his followers into a bloodthirsty anti-Slavic frenzy.

When the Russian leaders whipped up their people against the Germans, it was only with the tremendous provocation of an unprovoked and brutally conducted invasion.

Hitler must've known what the wages of failure in his bloodthisty venture would've been, and I give him credit for at least not whining about getting it.

That's more than can be said for you.

8/12/2011 03:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But why do you feel the need to insinuate that Northern European preservation is at loggerheads with preservation of all various branches of the White race?

Daybreaker may think that explicit endogamy tends to lead to conflict, as Hitler's belief that Germans should be endogamous relative to Slavs led to Germans trying to reduce Russians to the level of subhuman slaves*, and that internal conflict within the White race is inconsistent with the erection of a common front to defend Whites.

*

NS Germany achieved its (temporary) economic recovery through massive deficit spending in the course of rearmament as a preparation for war in the East which was to recoup that deficit from the fat of the land: Slavic slave labor, the procurement of the Soviet Union’s industries and abundant natural resources. That was the plan. The former would not ultimately have worked without the realization of the latter. For Slavs this would not have meant liberation but enslavement to a “Master Race” which regarded them as little better than “niggers” (this is what Reichskommissar of the Ukraine Erich Koch, a particularly ruthless slave-catcher, referred to Slavs as). If Operation Barbarossa had succeeded in gaining the quick victory it was designed to do this plan probably would have worked. The problem (for me at least) lies in its sheer indecency bordering on the psychopathic.

You probably know good Slavic-descended comrades who in another life, you in an SS uniform and he tilling your fields under penalty of death if he did not, that you may well have addressed as “nigger”.

8/12/2011 04:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whew, you boys sure love imbibing that joo - laid!

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia

A fascist hero in democratic Kiev

Population transfer in the Soviet Union

the "Russian leaders" whipped up their people

No doubt the same "Russians" who whipped up their people against the Germano/Nordic aristocracy that had bestowed upon Russia her European heritage financed by that Germano-American banker. LOL

8/12/2011 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Daybreaker said...

Anonymous at 8/12/2011 03:50:00 AM and 8/12/2011 04:01:00 AM said well enough what I would wish to say.

8/14/2011 12:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Captainchaos said...

Anonymous, you are clearly in over your head and as your head begins to throb from the pain thinking causes you much nonsense passes your lips. It is certainly no coincidence that the only cogent portions of your rejoinder to me - such as it was - was your direct quotation of myself.

Yes, I did indeed pen the comment you quote here at TOO and stand behind it. NS as historically incarnated is not morally defensible in my estimation. Yet this changes none at all that Stalin was planning to invade Europe. German soldiers died both to preemptively annihilate the threat Bolshevism posed to Europe and to steal the land Hitler wished to see come into German possession. The two are hardly mutually exclusive. You have heard of a thing called the 'spoils of war', have you not?

"Daybreaker may think that explicit endogamy tends to lead to conflict,"

If conflict avoidance is more important to Doorstopper than endogamy, explicit or otherwise, then he - and you, I might add - is hardly justified in considering himself a White Nationalist.

Should we avoid the pitfall of making our desire for White endogamy publicly known in order to avoid sowing the seeds of enmity with non-Whites? Should not only forty acres, a mule, but also a White woman to boot for every negro be the order of the day? These of course are rhetorical questions intended to make my point and to show total vapidity of whatever 'point' you thought you were making.

"and that internal conflict within the White race is inconsistent with the erection of a common front to defend Whites."

Funny, a desire for endogamy on the part of Nordicist National Socialists didn't stop them from making common cause against Bolshevism with Latin Fascists.

8/14/2011 02:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Should we avoid the pitfall of making our desire for White endogamy publicly known in order to avoid sowing the seeds of enmity with non-Whites?

No we shouldn't, given that enmity between Whites and non-Whites is good for the cause of preserving Whites.

Enmity between one subcategory of White and another subcategory of White is not good for the cause of preserving Whites, for obvious reasons.

Funny, a desire for endogamy on the part of Nordicist National Socialists didn't stop them from making common cause against Bolshevism with Latin Fascists.

Nordicists among the National Socialists had almost no power.

It was the pan-Germanists who ran things.

Among these pan-Germanists one of their greatest concerns was to avoid intermixing with the allegedly inferior Slavic ethnic groups.

This concern sprang from the many countries in Eastern Europe where there was a Slavic majority living alongside a German minority.

While the pan-Germanists supported immigration policies which would've tended to keep Latins out of Germany, no mainstream effort to promote endogamy between those two White subgroups existed.

This allowed the pan-Germanists to have an attitude towards Italians that was such as to allow an alliance between the two countries. (As disastorous as this alliance proved to be for the Italians and especially for the cause of Italian facism.)

8/14/2011 02:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have heard of a thing called the 'spoils of war', have you not?

If the point of the invasion of Russia by Germany was to prevent an invasion of Germany by Stalin, then this goal should've been given a far higher priority than the gaining of spoils at the expense of the allegedly inferior Russian people.

Many Russians didn't like Stalin, for many and often valid reasons.

If Hitler viewed the Russian masses as potential allies, and not as inferior people to steal the land thereof and turn into slaves, his chances of success against the Soviet regime would've infinitely improved.

8/14/2011 02:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

To the last anonymous:
Where did you see that Hitler viewed the Russian masses as inferior people to steal the land thereof and turn into slaves?

"Enmity between one subcategory of White and another subcategory of White is not good for the cause of preserving Whites, for obvious reasons."

I wonder if it makes any difference whether we get on well together or not. How are we supposed to cooperate together? I wish Russia would start financing the pro-white movement in the West, but I think I'm in for a long wait.

8/14/2011 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where did you see that Hitler viewed the Russian masses as inferior people to steal the land thereof and turn into slaves?

In the pages of Mein Kampf.

I wonder if it makes any difference whether we get on well together or not.

It is probable that it will matter in multiple times and places.

Just one precedent is how a failure on the part of Catholic Europeans and Orthodox Europeans to get along during the rise of the Ottoman Empire was both a boon to Muslims and a curse to Europeans, even to Europeans as far north as Vienna.

How are we supposed to cooperate together?

Cooperation across national boundaries is often less important, though the avoidance of hostility on even that level is important.

But within national boundaries a failure to get along between different White subgroups is dangerous, at least when there’s a significant number of non-Whites in that country.

I wish Russia would start financing the pro-white movement in the West, but I think I'm in for a long wait.

What I’m saying is more relevant to those of Russian descent in America. It’s important for Russian descended Americans to get along with non-Russian White Americans, as otherwise the Russian descended people will just be pushed into the Jews’ coalition of minorities as a means of self-defense.

8/14/2011 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

"In the pages of Mein Kampf."

I don't think you will find anything in Mein Kampf about turning Slavs into Slaves. My impression is that Hitler's views concerning the Slavs have been misrepresented by the Jewish narrative.

8/14/2011 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not an issue of enmity. It is an issue of endogamy and that is good for the preservation of the people of N.Europe.

"Funny, a desire for endogamy on the part of Nordicist National Socialists didn't stop them from making common cause against Bolshevism with Latin Fascists."

Nor with Slavic fascists.

"Among these pan-Germanists one of their greatest concerns was to avoid intermixing with the allegedly inferior Slavic ethnic groups."

Slavic nationalists also pursued their own agenda of ethnic preservation.

"While the pan-Germanists supported immigration policies which would've tended to keep Latins out of Germany, no mainstream effort to promote endogamy between those two White subgroups existed."

The Italian fascists were hypocrites regarding the issue of race. They declared their Manifesto de la Razza after the conclusion of the Abyssinian Wars because of the growth of miscegenation in E. Africa between Italians and SSAs.

"If the point of the invasion of Russia by Germany was to prevent an invasion of Germany by Stalin..."

There was no invasion of Russia. It was an invasion of the Soviet Union. Russia had been dispossed by an atheistic cosmopolitan elite some twenty years earlier.

Churchill:

This movement among the Jews is not new...

It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster has ably shown, a definite recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution.

It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworlds of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of the enormous empire."

Stalin's Jews

8/15/2011 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think you will find anything in Mein Kampf about turning Slavs into Slaves.

Mein Kampf says that the Germans are "Aryan" and the Slavs are "non-Aryan".

It says that the Aryan German group should take the land of the non-Aryan Slavic group via conquest (i.e. steal their land).

Then Mein Kampf also says that Aryans should subjugate non-Aryans.

It taking a people’s land and then subjugating them isn’t making them slaves; I don’t know what would be.

8/15/2011 04:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not an issue of enmity. It is an issue of endogamy...

The issue is that endogamy + proximity = enmity.

Endogamy is what makes a tribe a tribe, and anywhere you have more than one tribe in the same country there's going to be conflict.

Look at how nearly genetically identical people in Ireland became endogamous due to the influence of religion and how this helped lead to all sorts of enmity and conflict.

Nor with Slavic fascists.

If Stalin had preemptively invaded Germany it would've led to German communists supporting the invasion for rigid ideological reasons.

It wouldn't have meant anything, it wouldn't have changed the fact that if Stalin's preemptive invasion was too brutal or too anti-German the German masses would've been against it to a point so as to compromise its chances of success.

Slavic nationalists also pursued their own agenda of ethnic preservation.

All the Slavic majorities wanted from their Germanic minorities were what the English Americans who founded America wanted from non-English European immigrants and their descendants: assimilation.

This was perfectly reasonable given that "there cannot be a nation within a nation."

In contrast the German regime had an explicit policy of not just seeking to culturally Germanize the Slavs in nations their conquered, but to replace the flesh and blood Slavic individuals with Germans using military force to crush Slavic resistance to this policy.

There was no invasion of Russia.

Sophistry of the most laughable sort.

The empire centered in Russia and called the Soviet Union had many problems with Godless leaders who didn’t respect the rights of their people enough, as did the empire centered in German and called the Third Reich, but Russia was still a part of the Soviet Union.

Hitler invaded it.

Churchill:

This movement among the Jews is not new...


If Hitler didn't like the fact that Jews had more power in the Soviet Union than was good for the Russians, he should've held that against the Jews, not the Russians and other Slavs who through misfortunes of history ended up to a large extent under the thumb of Jews.

But instead of just trying to take property and power from Jews, he tried to take property and power from Slavs.

This forced the Slavs to side with the Jews, who at least were starting to be put under enough control that the Russians could live with them as the lesser of two evils compared to the rampaging, landstealing Germans who hated them even more for being Slavs than the Jews hated them for being European gentiles.

8/15/2011 04:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and that is good for the preservation of the people of N.Europe.

If you care more about preserving Northern Europeans than preserving Whites, then perhaps the increased intra-White enmity caused by endogamy would be worth the risks and dangers involved.

But why do you ignore the fact that the vast majority of Slavs are Northern Europeans?

8/15/2011 04:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The issue is that endogamy + proximity = enmity."

If true, it also applies to race. Let's ban endogamy at all levels because it is paramount that enmity be avoided at all costs. If the white race is absorbed by blacks, yellows, and browns because their traits are recessive, genetically, so what because it's just so damn important that hatred is eradicated from the world. LOL.

The Captain claims it was a preemptive strike. Tooze, Wages of Destruction suggests it was an act of economic necessity if Germany was to survive a long drawn out war against the powers of Anglo-Judea. The point, for me, is even if destruction of Bolshevism was incidental Adolf's goals it was virtuous because the Bolshie's were by far the greater evil.

The Slavic nationalists wished to cleanse their lands of foreigners. A quick review of Ukrainian nationalist activity during theis period will confirm this. They killed Poles, Jews, Russians and fellow Ukrainians (Breivik?) if they were traitorous to their cause. And no the nativists like Grant did not wish to assimilate they wished to repatriate but they realized they were powerless to do so. They tried and failed with the blacks (see Bilbo & Marcus Garvey) and they knew they had no power to return the Jews.(see Spiro, Partrician Racist). Moreover, these were not recently arrived immigrants. The Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Ukrainians (and even the Volga Germans had resided in these lands since the 18th century)were distinct ethnic groups with desires to preserve their ethnic genetic interests. Moreover, the Soviets did not love Russia or the Russian. The wealthier peasants were declared enemies of the Soiet state and deported to Central Asia or placed in gulags where hundreds of thousands died. The Soviet centralized the peasant land holdings and they were little more thn serfs upon the land. Mother Russia died with the death of their Nordic aristocracy. This is was it was called the USSR, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics because there was no desire to preserve or further the interest of the Russian because it was a foreign elite that ruled them. Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, not Russia. How does Hitler strip the Soviet Union of its nasty nest of Bolshevic vipers if he does not invade and crush all in his path?

Jews the lesser of two evils, after they were involved in the murder and transfer of millions of Russians, even before Hitler came to power you deem them the lesser of two evils. Now that's sophistry. Produce a copy of General Plan Ost and I'll reconsider your position but until then all we have is a mound of circumstantial evidence that claims the Nazis were bent upon destruction of the Slavs. You lie like an Elie Wiesel.

8/15/2011 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"But why do you ignore the fact that the vast majority of Slavs are Northern Europeans?"

Why ignore the fact that the Sami are N. Europeans?

8/15/2011 10:26:00 PM  
Anonymous JMR said...

These comments are encouraging. Perhaps people are waking up!http://www.meehanforcongress.com/traveling-to-israel

8/16/2011 05:42:00 PM  
Anonymous JMR said...

I am sorry but unfortunately it appears that Mr. Meehan has deleted all comments from his blog article about his future visit to Israel.I hope someone, somewhere, managed to save them.
The comments were a joy to read. Summarising :- He was condemned as a traitor; it was suggested that all congressmen putting Israel before the USA should be hung for high treason; disgust for
treacherous Israel,Israelis,and the Israeli lobby was expressed;that the purpose of the trip was to compromise congressmen with East-European women for future blackmailing opportunities.
If these were the comments of your average American voter,there appears to be a burgeoning anti-jewish,anti-Israel sentimentin the USA.
This hostile reaction to his forthcoming visit obviously took the worthy congressman by surprise. Anti-jewish and anti-israel comments were deleted all the time until he closed down the comments section altogethere. I hope that this reaction has put the fear of God into Meehan and his fellow congressmen and serves as a warning for them to re-evaluate their future political positions

8/17/2011 04:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tan, Christopher Bollyn has an opinion on the liklihood of Fjordman being an Israeli operative which is very credible considering the circumstances.

It would not be at all surprising if many of those involved in the anti-muslim, anti-"jihad" movement were, also, either as jews or as zionist dupes. I have wondered whether GOV is not an active "asset" themselves, either from intent or from being mislead (and misused) by intention.

"It is probably Jensen's Zionist connection that is the true source of the hateful anti-Islamic propaganda that is said to have inspired the July 22 massacre in Norway. Almost all such anti-Islamic propaganda efforts worldwide have the same return address - Israeli intelligence.".

"Is Fjordman an Israeli Agent?"
http://www.bollyn.com/home#article_13130

Flanders

8/17/2011 03:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An excerpt from an interesting description of, "Baron Bodissey Interviewed on "Irate Tireless Minority"

"If you've ever had questions about what's really going on with all this Muslim/Mozlem, jihadi, creeping sharia, Geert Wilders and Elisabeth Sabaditsch-Wolff stuff, tune in and start learning for yourself. The show will be rated mature, because many of the reasons Islam is presenting a challenge for the world are not for young ears. This blog is truly an example of an irate, tireless minority making a difference.

"Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked." ~ Psalm 97:10
______________

http://kitmantv.blogspot.com/search/label/baron%20bodissey

Flanders

8/18/2011 12:26:00 AM  
Anonymous JMR said...

But I wonder how many followers of Tan are ex-followers of the anti-jihad sites?
I used to follow Auster and Gates of Vienna because for me the most apparent danger was the growing and more visible Muslim presence in England.It was Tan's contributions that opened up my eyes to the real danger to Western civilisaion. Perhaps these Iraeli anti-jihadists have bitten off more than they can chew?

8/18/2011 06:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Armor said...

JMR: "I used to follow Auster and Gates of Vienna because for me the most apparent danger was the growing and more visible Muslim presence in England."

I think it worked the other way around for most people. They became aware of the Muslim problem because they were influenced by neoconnish websites, especially after 9/11. After every Arab terrorist attack, the leftist media usually say they are concerned about a possible backlash by White racists. After the 9/11 attack, I was looking on the web for opinions hostile to the leftist media and to the Arab terrorists. That niche was dominated by neocon bloggers.

The Jews were very effective in establishing their presence on the conservative blogosphere. I think that is because they have more money than we have and because they own the media. For example, National Review's website must have helped many Jewish bloggers with their careers on the internet. It would be interesting to know if the Main Stream Media did finance some of the Jewish neocon bloggers who were supposed to be harsh critics of the MSM.

I also read Gates of Vienna for some time. I probably arrived there via Instapundit, and I found Instapundit by reading John Leo's column, in US News & World Report.

8/18/2011 03:46:00 PM  

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