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Sunday, January 22, 2012

Fjordman Fallout

Chechar calls my attention to Unser Abschied von Fjordman (Our Departure from Fjordman) at As der Schwerter (Ace of Swords).

Mein Deutsch ist schlecht, and the Google Translate version is not much better, but the gist I get is that the efforts Chechar and I have made to engage Fjordman, part of a more general challenge to counter-jihadists to face the facts of jewish influence, has borne fruit in Germany.

The bloggers at Ace of Swords - Deep Roots, Osimandia, and Kairos (Cairo) - recently moved their blog from fjordman.wordpress.com to schwertasblog.wordpress.com, in part because visitors were sometimes confused about whether they were Fjordman, and in part because Fjordman requested it, apparently because he didn't like that they had indeed chosen to face the facts about the jews.

While all three of these bloggers credit Fjordman with helping to awaken them, they all specifically cite the incident discussed in White Nationalism and the Counter-Jihad for causing them to reevalute their opinion of the counter-jihad. They have actually made the move I was hoping Fjordman would. They have rejected the deracinated counter-jihad and embraced ethno-racial nationalism.

Their Departure from Fjordman post concludes with an unequivocal White nationalist sentiment:
Europe belongs to Europeans. Not the Jews, not Muslims, the Europeans. (And, by the way, Germany is the Germans. Not the French, not the Americans, the Germans.)
For some reason the Google Translate version of the whole page reverts to German right at the point where the comments get interesting. Translating comments piecemeal we find signs that the AoS bloggers have come very quickly up to speed. Here are some samples.

Comment 19, by Osimandia:
It is very important to recognize that it is not "the Englishman" and "French" and "Americans" are driving the adverse developments. Instead, there are Judaised British, French and Americans. And I can not even make a whole lot Judaised German, commonly referred to as "poilitisch correct".

Among the species of this sort of people are stubborn and deluded "serious critic of Islam," the hufescharrend wait to finally be recognized as a subspecies accepted - which in my soon to be the case.
Comment 20, by Pit:
Yep:
politically correct = Semitic correctly.

I've even made it clear that "politically correct" means serving certain interests, promoting. Namely: Jewish interests.

Always in our understanding, Jews are an ethnic competitors. This competitor has defined its Jewish ethnic interests to general interests: so it is now: politically correct. Indeed, but it must read: correctly Semitic. So the whole agenda that we all have equal rights, whether orignial people relative or any intruder ... all the same, no matter if the people belonging to or not, is this view of Jewish ethnicity, because they want to live in other peoples as a minority, but just how much influence and rights to their ancestral people (which is possible only if the incumbent People's delegitimized and his identity is dissolved in).

We speak of: ETHNIC CORRECT. And since there was just one: Germanic correctly.
And we should all, the entire public life, align it, what is GERMANISCH-CORRECT! For these are OUR interests.
Comment 26, by Pit:
McDonald's position is immediately obvious to me: Jews are a rival ethnic group. They live in our white Gesellschften, but work only for their own benefit (to § 130s: "Is it good for the Jews" is the default position). From this approach follows pretty much everything else.
Comment 58, by Deep Roots:
Judaism is indeed the main enemy in this struggle for the survival of the white peoples, and to the realize this, one need only imagine what would happen if tomorrow would start all the white peoples, the Jews from their positions of power in the West remove and expel them from their countries.
Fjordman, Baron Bodissey and other long-time semitically-correct true believers may indeed be a lost cause. But here we have a reminder that there are other people - good and honest people - who are initially attracted to the counter-jihad by natural, patriotic instincts. Many are simply lurking and listening, more or less literally misguided. With help, if necessary, some of them can and will come to see the counter-jihad for what it is - a crypto-jewish movement, concerned mainly with serving jewish interests. Seeing this frees them to take the next logical and emotional step: directing their concerns toward serving the interests of their own kind rather than others.

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59 Comments:

Anonymous ben tillman said...

Great news. I'm going to take a look at the comments as well.

1/22/2012 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Just a follow-up from my email...

1/22/2012 12:12:00 PM  
Blogger Kairos said...

My Nick "Kairos" has nothing to do with Cairo, it is a God of Ancient Greek Mystery the God of the moment of decision. When you act to fast, you will fail, but if you act to slow the "Kairos" will have past.

The story of "As der Schwerter" is complicated. It is true that we all started blogging as "Counter- Jihadists", but we became racially aware a long time ago. We translated Fjordmans texts but then started to translate other authors (from CC, OOT and so on), we have translated a few Tanstaafl essays, too (see the list here: http://schwertasblog.wordpress.com/fremdsprachige-autoren/).

If you would like to know about our worldview, there is an english translation of one of my texts:

http://kairostheos.blogspot.com/2011/09/white-wrath.html

We are glad that the link to Fjordman is destroyed now permanently. He is a brilliant writer, but not our ally.

It is very hard to awaken a second time. When one becomes engaged in the "counterjihad" (this is, funny as it is, also the former name of the blog As der Schwerter) he thinks that he now is above all the lies and deceit. But he is deeper in the mud as ever.

Greetings from Germany!

1/22/2012 01:45:00 PM  
Blogger SAVANT said...

You might be interested in how I personally made the transition.
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2012/01/my-transition.html

1/22/2012 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Mary said...

the efforts Chechar and I have made to engage Fjordman, part of a more general challenge to counter-jihadists to face the facts of jewish influence, has borne fruit in Germany.

Bravo! A Really heartening post!


@ SAVANT: love your blog, and love it even more now :)

1/22/2012 09:02:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Greetings Kairos. I've read your White Wrath essay. Though we are separated by language, an ocean, and our respective hostile elites, we share very similar views.

I saw some references in the Fjordman thread about Manfred Kleine-Hartlage splitting from AdS. Could you explain why?

1/22/2012 09:31:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

My transition:

"A constant, and genuine (in my opinion) response to my position has been along the lines of ‘look, every Jewish person has within him the subliminal fear that our millennia of persecution could be reactivated at any time.’ Now I've yet to hear a single acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe, some aspect of Jewish behaviour might, just possibly, have contributed, in some little way, to the unreasonable behaviour of their hosts."

Agreed. According to jews they're always entirely innocent and Whites are always their stupid/crazy/evil oppressors.

Your transition post links to another, written last month. From the "My Manifesto" section of Our most improtant issue: Relations with Jews:

"So my proposal is to hold out the hand of friendship to decent ordinary Jews who face pretty much the same challenges as we do. For a start the blanket condemnations of ‘the Jews’ for the collapse of white gentile society must stop, or at least become more nuanced. We racially conscious gentiles must accept that we are not innocent victims cruelly deceived and exploited by alien masters. Rather, the transformations that I, for one, so bitterly resent took place in our own countries, controlled by our own people, and we must accept responsibility for them.

We therefore should seek to convince ordinary Jews that they have more in common with us than with the “organized, active minority… and their billionaire camp followers.” We sure as hell won’t do that by constantly attacking Jews in general .Of course, we also need some more prominent Jewish figures (I've already mentioned a few) to publicly acknowledge the validity of ‘our’ concerns and that we’re not all closet Nazis secretly plotting a new Holocaust. Many of them too must be fed up of killing Nazism, digging it up, killing it again, ad nauseam.

I think this is, by a wide margin, the single most important challenge - and opportunity -facing us now. It seems crazy not to consider obtaining the support of the most effective operators on the planet.

Am I not correct?
"

No. Jews are jews. They are not us. They've had millenia to establish a modus vivendi with us and have not.

Would it be correct to assume that you're transitioning beyond this position because your "ex-friends and former colleagues", "decent ordinary jews" all I'm sure, have by now made it clear what you can do with your friendly overture?

1/22/2012 09:49:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ We therefore should seek to convince ordinary Jews that they have more in common with us than with the…

This is the natural mistake I committed, but it’s impossible given the nature of their psyche. Don’t believe me?

Humanity in general and the white people in particular must understand what Judaism is. Here there are a couple of Kevin MacDonald’s definitions:

(1) Judaism is a self-imposed, non-coerced evolutionary strategy…

(2) Judaism is a fairly closed group strategy in which much effort has been devoted to resisting genetic assimilation with surrounding populations.

I’d recommend listening to the audio version of Dave Duke’s My Awakening (the JQ is discussed in Part III).

If you are inclined to a more academic approach, MacDonald’s first book of his trilogy, where I read the above definition, is a must read.

1/22/2012 10:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Nick Dean said...

Kairos,

It is very hard to awaken a second time. When one becomes engaged in the "counterjihad" (this is, funny as it is, also the former name of the blog As der Schwerter) he thinks that he now is above all the lies and deceit. But he is deeper in the mud as ever.

I agree with the second point - the counterjihadis are more tightly bound and misdirected than even the average race denier. But I think over time most are persuaded by reason to see Jews as well as Muslims as an outgroup - same with most Amren readers.

I think most of us recall fighting it - fighting against ourselves - but over the course of a few years the truth works its magic.

(My thanks go to wintermute, ben tillman and the guys at originaldissent)

1/23/2012 06:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"(2) Judaism is a fairly closed group strategy in which much effort has been devoted to resisting genetic assimilation with surrounding populations."

After 3000 years of inbreeding their biological sense of us vs them is stronger than any other people. Genetics have reinforced their self-imposed rational group strategy to the point where it's blindly instinctive.

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"He is a brilliant writer"

Yes, that part is a shame.

1/23/2012 07:24:00 AM  
Blogger Kairos said...

Tanstaafl, I am happy to hear that my essay found a reader.

About the history of our blog there will be an english text from Deep Roots soon, he is writing it at this very moment.

Nick Dean, you are right, although counterjihadis are even more filled with false ideology than the average guy they are in a position that leads to truth, if one is honest and intelligent. But the not honest counterjihadis watch like sentinels that the others do not find the door out and not few of them are not very intelligent, too.

I see five groups from which we can possibly help individuals to awake: Counterjihadis, extreme leftists, young people, angry people and conservatives. All of them see parts of the truth mixed with lies. So there is a beginning to share the whole truth. One who does not see any part of the true at all is lost to our cause.

Greetings from Germany!

1/23/2012 12:46:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Kairos, You are doing a fantastic job overseas. Since when I was a philo-Semite I could only dare to read criticisms of Jews written by philo-Semites or Jews themselves, may I recommend you sending links of this article I wrote against Mark Steyn for the kind of people you mention above? Cheers.

1/23/2012 12:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

I think the "jihad" against the West is more Jewish than Muslim. So, it's all right to be a counter-jihadi, but even better to be a counter-jewhadi.

Tan on another thread: "whenever jews try to debate on an open forum, such as Mangan provides, they lose."

Similarly, when counter-jihadism is debated on an open forum, the theory that our problem isn't so much immigration as islam and antisemitism becomes less convincing.

1/23/2012 01:19:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ "whenever jews try to debate on an open forum, such as Mangan provides, they lose."

This is why Fjordi never entered the JQ arena either at Mangan’s or even at GOV. But what I find aberrant is that after the June 2011 GOV debacle some counter-jihad blogsites cheered the Baron’s decision to stonewall all further discussion of JQ as “wise” (sic).

1/23/2012 01:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Svigor said...

Counterjihadis, extreme leftists, young people, angry people and conservatives

And libertarians.

Anybody who thinks too much. :)

1/23/2012 03:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Svigor said...

Oh, and note to the "extreme leftists": I'll make you guys a deal - you can have whatever you want, if you preserve the race (or allow it to preserve itself) and keep society reasonably free. Big gov't, lean military (full of homosexuals and oddballs), quasi-socialism, legalized drugs, abortion on demand...whatever.

I really don't care, as long as my very short list of demands is met.

1/23/2012 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

There is a related essay which may be of interest (http://www.culturewars.com/2011/Wemhoff.html) about Ratzinger but also begins by discussing American post-war propaganda.

It says:

Two important areas of inquiry were the impact of American entertainment (mostly motion pictures), and the impact of American mass media, primarily Voice of America (VOA), one of the more important United States’ propaganda machines to the world at the time. In Report No. 119 from May 1948, it was noted that “The number of audiences within which AMZON Germans participated was strikingly related to attitudes toward the American way of life. Regardless of social class, the more sources of information which an AMZON German had, the more likely he was to be favorably disposed toward American policies in government or economics, ways of life, and activities ...” (OMGUS, p. 236). (AMZON is military jargon for the American Zone of Occupation which included Catholic Bavaria.) In Report No. 184 from July 1949, about 40 percent of survey respondents in the AMZON listened to VOA “more or less regularly.” VOA had the largest audience of American information programs, and VOA reached more of all segments of the German society (OMGUS, p. 307-308). The majority of VOA listeners considered the programs to be good (OMGUS, p. 308). Report No. 137 from September 1948 showed that nearly two-thirds of those aged 15 to 24 in Munich attended movies and that American films were extremely popular (OMGUS, pp. 256-257). Report No. 188 issued one year later revealed that 44 percent of the AMZON residents believed American movies showed how American life really was (OMGUS, p. 311). In that same study, respondents were forced to chose between parents or the authorities as to who should have the final say in what children should watch. (Id.) Report No. 171 from December 1952 indicated the majority of Germans interviewed saw VOA as a propaganda instrument of the U.S., and while 39 percent of the interviewees saw this as a good thing for Germany, the vast majority was silent on the question (HICOG pp. 204-205).

It can be seen that West Germans have been the most indoctrinated to Judeo-American national undermining and loss of national conscience. I wonder if the Germans at "Ace of Swords" are of the West German type or the fairly recently re-united East Germans.

From discussions I have had with Germans, the East Germans are far more racially conscious and actively assert themselves as a people. The woman who described this to me is herself a descendent of the AMZON Germans. She spoke with an American accent, had American attitudes, and called these East Germans "racist". When pointing out to her that I have no interest in seeing Turks in Germany and that I am not a racist for wanting this (among other things) she was dumbstruck and could only say that I would be good friends with the neo-Nazi East Germans. Laughed it off, (but yes, I agree.)

Discussing with her all the great things about Germany that inspire me, her architecture, her technology, her order, her beer, and saying that all these represent Germany and Germans and all being White!, again she was lost. What will happen to a Germany that is Turkish and Muslim? Of course it ceases to be.

I'm afraid though that AMZON propaganda still exists. We non Americans are all in the AMZON, more correctly titled Judeo-American Zone. Anything that smacks of White national conscience will always be cast as "Nazi" i.e. evil itself.

But, there seems to be a slow awakening of White Westerners as at Ace of Swords. I pray it continues. I think the AMZON German lady I spoke to went home with a few new things to consider especially after seeing that the Oz she thought she was coming to see was really in many parts just another racially smashed suburb of AMZON, just like parts of Germany under Turkish dominion.

1/23/2012 03:52:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Svig, It’s not possible to preserve race with “abortion on demand”. Feminism must and will be crushed as ruthlessly as Judaism, either by us or by Muslims in a 2029 Eurabia. That’s why I feature Roger Devlin’s best article, originally published at TOQ, in my blog as one of the most important WN pieces ever written (here).

Pat, I really see no point in trying to enlighten body-snatched-pod women. This civilization was created by us, males. Males threw it off due to Judeo-liberalism and males will reclaim it back after a very violent revolution. War and the creation of Weltanschauungs are not the business of women, who are programmed genetically to believe the current zeitgeist. It’s our business. If you want to know how to deal with German beauties after the dollar crashes and the coming financial meltdown in the West, read this valiant piece by William Ventvogel.

1/23/2012 04:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Thanks for the link Chechar, I'll fread it. The discussion was not only with her but some other Germans men as well though, as always, the blokes like to keep their cards to their chest while the women go into shaming mode (not all women mind you).

It went well, rebuffed her AMZON nonsense and the men were silent. Though we later had some quiet chats elsewhere away from the shaming mother.

Good point re abortion on demand. I've been meaning to post on this. The real problem with abortion - besides the fact we are killing our future before it is born - is the argument that buttresses abortion. The "choice" argument.

One may settle for a type of eugenics were it supported by thought through principles of race or society. In that context abortion would be serving a higher principle as well as racial goal. But "choice" is extension of individualism - what society or people could possibly form a civilisation if all life were predicated on "choice"? None. Choice is constantly in clash. My choice vs others choice.

This needs fleshing out but the basic point is that abortion on demand is the end result of a problem in our thinking, it is not the problem itself. The problem is in the "choice" argument itself. This "choice" is a meme that has infected Western people's minds, men and women.

Where does duty, honour, service, chivalry etc fit within a world based on "choice"?

1/23/2012 04:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

" Counterjihadis, extreme leftists, young people, angry people and conservatives / And libertarians. / Anybody who thinks too much. :) "

Geoff Beck had a broadcast touching on that topic (here)

A few excerpts from the transcript :

An enemy, it seems to me, is a person or group that is by nature compelled to destroy another group or person. (...) In contrast those who are merely in opposition are not necessarily compelled so by nature, nor is their condition necessarily perpetual. (...) I’d consider some libertarians and some Leftists to be oppositionalists. Hans-Herman Hoppe is an example of true libertarian oppositionalist, though for the Left there a few oppositionalists today. The tentacles of Jewish influence in the political Left extend so far one wonders would there even be a Left were it not for the Jews. Indeed minus Jewish influence the Left might migrate to a political ideology similar to National Socialism. (...) (...) The vast majority of Americans are only reactively opposed, not truly opposed, to White Nationalism

1/23/2012 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Duke of Qin said...

I would really like to express my admiration for this blog. It is a refreshing breath of intellectual honesty amidst the miasma of lies that passes for received wisdom at large in this degenerate age. I admit to being an "off"-white nationalist (rare as a three legged fish) and cannot help but be utterly shocked as to how utterly passive the majority of Americans are when it comes to duplicity of the Jew.

I would like to think it is because most Jews are physically indistinguishable from gentiles that they were able to subvert their host societies so readily until it dawns on me that my own non-European homeland is completely dominated by an organization who's principal ideology is a nihilistic Jewish one.

1/23/2012 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting vid on the hidden epidemic of racist murders of whites in England..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CgvOAhePIcI

1/24/2012 05:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Mary said...

Excellent video Anon---I am going to pass it around, thanks.

1/24/2012 07:48:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

That's a good video every White should watch.

The narrator(s) ask why there is a double standard. Why do the media and political leaders put pressure on the police and courts to persecute and prosecute Whites while playing down non-White violence against Whites? As one of the men in the street toward the end alludes, it's because the mainstream media and the regime as a whole are driven by an anti-White/pro-non-White mindset.

What is left unsaid is how this follows directly from a jewish version of history and morality which paints non-Whites as "the new jews", the eternal, innocent victims, and paints Whites as the eternal, stupid/crazy/evil oppressors.

Seventy-odd years ago the British people were told they had to die to keep their country from being taken over by "the nazis". That hasn't changed. Back then a case could be made that it was in defense of the collective interests of native Britons. That has changed. Today it is native Britons who are painted as "the nazis", whether they stand up and defend themselves or not.

1/24/2012 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Nick Dean said...

Counterjihadis, extreme leftists, young people, angry people and conservatives

And libertarians

Anybody who thinks too much. :)

Greens too.

And then people who know we're lied to constantly about other Big Stuff -- money-reformers, anti-globalists, anti-NWO types, truthers.

1/24/2012 10:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Armor said...

" Greens too "

And feminists!
That is to say, women who want to protect women's real interests (safety in the streets, and so on).

1/24/2012 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous YIH said...

You think that's bad?
This is worse.
Read it all.

1/24/2012 11:04:00 AM  
Blogger Kairos said...

We are from West Germany and Austria. Every day of my life I see two things: Turks and arabs that behave like dogs and fellow Germans who are too blinded to see it.

We have friends in East Germany, e.g. Barbarossa, who was the co- author of my other blog. It is true that they are fare more aware of these things. In East Germany there are very few immigrants (ecxeption: Berlin) and even "National Freed Zones" (no immigrants!). This is partly because the East Germans do not want them and have the NPD (nationalistic party) in their state pairlaments and partly because the East is very poor.

The Turks are in the big cities, they invade them like rats. In the industrial zones of the West (Rhein- Main area and Rhein- Ruhr area) and in Berlin there are the most of them.

Some say we all should go to Mitteldeutschland (middle- Germany, please note that "East" Germany is not the East of Germany, but the former free town Danzig is - or should be), but I do not want us to do a "white flight" and let the turks have the West. I want them all to go home.

But we can not even say these things loud. There are three kinds of thoguht crime that are punished with prison to 5 years:

- insulting a foreigner
- denying the truth of the holocaust
- glorifiying Nationalsozialism

These laws are in force in West Germany and in Mitteldeutschland as well.

Whereas everybody can

- insult a German
- deny crimes against Germans before, in and after WW 2
- glorify Communism, Islam, "Democracy"

You see where this ends. "Re- united" Germany is an "American" colony.

Foreign law, foreign culture, foreign music and millions of foreigners are here for a reason: To kill the German Volk.

I often asked myself why they did not killed all Germans after WW 2. But when one understands why they followed Marshalls plan instead of Morgenthaus, one understands why we experience a "gentle" genocide.

1/24/2012 11:38:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

@ “But the dishonest counter-jihadists watch like sentinels that the others do not find the door out and few of them are very intelligent, too.” --Kairos (edited with purposes of clarity)

Some time ago Conservative Swede, who used to be a GoV regular, wrote an essay in his blog where the System prevented the honest seeker to get out from a maze of ideological confusion by means of Thoughtpolice posted at the door like a sentinel, who shouted “Nazi!” and capitalized on whites’ silly sense of guilt. How curious that he himself, Swede, shouted that very word at me in our first discussion, in August 2009 IIRC, when I dared to mention the H man at GoV.

I believe that Covington’s first novel of his Northwest quintet could function as an antidote to overcome the guilt and finally step outside the forbidden door.

1/24/2012 12:07:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

Kairos,

I posted my previous comment before reading your previous one.

I’d recommend taking a look at the ongoing discussion at TOO about the most recent book released by Counter-Currents: Irmin Vinson’s essays on Hitler and the Holocaust. See especially the comments about WW2 by a woman, Ciaran, and also what I said in that thread.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/01/foreword-to-irmin-vinson/?show=comments

1/24/2012 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Related comes this story out of the UK's The Independent newspaper: The struggle to be both Jewish and a German (http://www.independent.co.uk/hei-fi/entertainment/the-struggle-to-be-both-jewish-and-a-german-6291168.html)

Choice quotes follow.

In opening: Rafael Seligmann has reasons enough to despise, if not loathe, the Germans.

Germans = Nazis

Mr Seligmann – who happens to be both German and Jewish – has just launched an English-language Jewish newspaper from Berlin to show the rest of the world how Jewish life is enjoying an extraordinary renaissance in Germany. "My own life as a German Jew brought up in post-war Germany and the dramatic changes in Jewish life that have occurred since the fall of the Berlin Wall prompted me to start the paper," he told i. "I was adamant that Hitler should not have the last word on German-Jewish history."

Once again the Jewish narrative of White history and media indoctrination begins.

The first edition features a front-page article by a well known liberal (non-Jewish) journalist calling for a ban on Germany's neo-Nazi National Democratic Party. It also contains a commentary by Israeli historian Moshe Zimmermann, proclaiming pessimistically that there will be "no rebirth of German Jews", and a piece by a young Israeli Berliner celebrating the arrival of young Israelis in the capital.


...


He says the project is an attempt to reflect the way Jewish life has begun to flourish in Germany in a way never deemed possible. Before Nazi rule, there were about 600,000 Jews living in Germany. By the time the Berlin Wall fell in November 1989, their number was down to a mere 30,000. Then in 1990, the government of reunified Germany made what may be regarded as one of its most significant acts of atonement for the Holocaust: it declared immigration a right for anyone able to prove that they were Jewish. The upshot has been an unprecedented influx and now Germany's is the only growing Jewish population on earth.

Could the German government have a 'right of return' for White Germans? On the contrary, White Germans = Nazis, their national parties are "neo-Nazi". If anyone should be pessimistic about a rebirth of Germany for Germans it should be Germans.

It is amazing though that Germany has the "the only growing Jewish population on earth." So amazing I don't believe it. Are Jews in decline in the USA? In Israel? What is amazing is that not only do Jews have a race based 'right of return' to Israel they also have a race based 'right of return' to Germany(even though this law doesn't state that they should have any connection historically to Germany).

ng with" Germans. That's how the eternal victims gain their self-confidence.

1/24/2012 02:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

It could be argued that even today, reunited Germany has still not got all that much to be proud of when it comes to shedding the influences of Nazism. Neo-Nazi violence has increased massively since reunification. The majority of Germany's new Jewish immigrants are not openly acknowledged as such. Instead they are almost universally referred to as "Russians".

Again, the eternal shaming of White nationhood. Perhaps the Germans are not aware that these Russians are Jews yet they still see the Jewish ways and oppose them. Not only should Germans lay down their nation to all comers, they also must acknowledge the race of the new immigrants. Germans must deny their own race and honour and serve another race - the Jewish race.

Nevertheless, most Jews, including Mr Seligmann, say they live in relative safety in Germany, even if every synagogue and Jewish school in the country is under a constant police guard.

A people that shall remain apart, by their own terms, complain about it. A people that agitate for Islamic immigration, who to a man hate Jews, get to live in enclaves under constant police guard. Would that the Germans were allowed to have their own racial set asides under police guard! Like...a nation, with borders, protected by their own military!!

Mr Seligmann says the most important change wrought by Germany's new generation of Jews is that they are dispensing with the negative perception of themselves as victims. "They feel much easier about expressing themselves than Jews did two decades ago," he says. "In Germany, perhaps more than anywhere else, Jews should be allowed to become as self-confident as anyone else in society."

Yes, the common feature of Jews is a hang dog expression, slumped shoulders, trudging defeat and lack of self-confidence. Oh that they could be self-confident as anyone else, ha ha what a joke.

What Mr Seligman is really saying is that "Germany's new generation of Jews is...dispensing with" Germans. That's how the eternal victims gain their self-confidence.

"Fifty years ago I was afraid of the Germany of the Nazis that murdered the Jews," he writes in his autobiography. "Nowadays I feel as if I have found my place among these people as they have with me."

Yes, it has taken 50 years after an annihilating war on Germans, post war media indoctrination, constant fear of war with a looming Soviet Union, then national disintegration by mass immigration of Turks and Arabs for the Jews to finally find their racial place amongst the shattered and neutered remains of a once great, powerful and creative White race: the Germans.

1/24/2012 02:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

With regard the video put up by Anonymous about media manipulation of "hate" crimes based on race, i.e. a) only reporting White on ethnic crime and b) a media campaign to hunt down Whites, note how The Sun went after "racists" (Whites) and Emma West.

(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3969559/More-rail-racist-videos-emerge-online.html)

More rail racist videos emerge online

Women hurl abuse on train in vile new footage
screams the headline.

The Sun orchestrated hunt for these White women begins:

TWO more women have been caught hurling vile racist abuse on a train - in sickening YouTube videos.

The story concludes:

"I should also point out, that my friend only realised this was worth filming after about 10 minutes of her rant, the reason as to why she became agitated is because my friend was having a quiet conversation with his friend in Russian and she was sitting in front of them."

I wonder if the Russians were unacknowledged Jews?

Note that The Sun is a Rupert Murdoch News Ltd publication. Nationalist Whites are under the delusion that Murdoch is a conservative and doesn't interfere with editorial policy.

But, from the House of Lords "Select Committee on Communications First Report"

50...For The Sun and News of the World he [Rupert Murdoch] explained that he is a "traditional proprietor". He exercises editorial control on major issues—like which Party to back in a general election or policy on Europe.

48. Mr Murdoch believed that the role of the media is "to inform". Reporters are there to find out what is going on and editors are there to invest in those investigations if they uncover something.

49. Mr Murdoch did not disguise the fact that he is hands on both economically and editorially.


So we can see the News Ltd approach to hunting down Whites and ignoring crimes by ethnics as an extension of not only its editorial policy but also from the head, Mr Murdoch.

Yet, consider The Independent newspaper owned by Russian (not, I believe, Jewish) Alexander Lebedev, which published the most positive perspective on Emma West in "Race, resentment and the white working classes."

(http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/christina-patterson/christina-patterson-race-resentment-and-the-white-working-classes-6269658.html)

Christina Patterson, the author of that sympathetic approach to not only Emma West but Whites in England and their righteous national aspirations also got slammed for "The limits of multi-culturalism". In that essay Ms Patterson notes:

When I first moved to Stamford Hill, I didn't realise that goyim were about as welcome in Hasidic Jewish shops as Martin Luther King at a Klu Klux Klan convention

I recommend both essays.

It is damning to note that the UK's (and Australia's) media is dominated by an editorially interfering neoconservative (Murdoch received an award from the ADL wherein he gave a speech stating "I am honored to be chosen by His people for this award." - source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rupert-murdoch-anti-semitism-and-israel_508697.html).

But also damning that it takes a Russian (not Jewish) media proprietor to speak on behalf of the native British.

The answer to the videos implicit "Why and how has this come about?" is that the British media is not owned by the British. It is owned and manipulated by Zionists and capitalists, global free trade absolutists and one world leftists.

The media needs to be outed name by ethnic name, tribe by tribe, nationalist sympathies, ideological underpinnings. We can and will surmount this problem when we *name* the people who are spreading the MSM memes. Just as the "Iowa is too White" meme was Jewish, so too is the hunt for Whites a Murdoch initiative.

1/24/2012 04:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

[reunified Germany] "declared immigration a right for anyone able to prove that they were Jewish. The upshot has been an unprecedented influx "

If it's true, it means that every Israeli or Russian Jew can come and settle in any country of the European Union after a short stay in Germany.

"every synagogue and Jewish school in the country is under a constant police guard"

Meanwhile, White people send their children to dangerous multiracial schools with no police protection at all. In France too, Jewish schools receive police protection.

1/24/2012 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Armor said...

O/T

Do you know the story of a place called Mouseland ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Kx0QlksZQ

1/24/2012 05:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Yes, I'd never heard of this Jewish 'right of Jewish citizenship' in Germany law before either Armor. And good point, it means automatic entry into any EU nation.

In France too, Jewish schools receive police protection.

Yes, the same goes for Australia. In Sydney Jews congregate in two suburbs, the Oz iconic Bondi and the upper-class traditional WASP suburb of St. Ives.

All their schools have private guards and monitored by police. Our federal government even funds Jewish school security to the tune of $20 million AUD.

Even still, "Plainly, our schools have not been allocated sufficient funds to meet all of the security expenditure that has been assessed as necessary,” co-chair of the Australian Council of Jewish Schools Nechama Bendet said."

This video details the WASPs of St Ives getting upset over having their suburb imposed with an eruv (they should try having their suburb having imposed gang rapes and bashings by Muslims): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39w7uK_kCM

Note the Jew raving in the vid opposes the eruv on the basis of "what's good for the Jews".

And just for laughs, here's an Aboriginal Jew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-W56D3XJN8&feature=related

1/24/2012 06:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Scott said...

"Mr Seligmann – who happens to be ... German" ...

"has reasons enough to despise, if not loathe, the Germans."


Poor Mr. Seligman! He must despise -- if not loathe -- himself then, right?

1/24/2012 06:12:00 PM  
Anonymous ben tillman said...

Yeah, I noticed that glaring internal contradiction.

1/24/2012 06:37:00 PM  
Anonymous ben tillman said...

(My thanks go to wintermute, ben tillman and the guys at originaldissent)

You're welcome, and thank you for the kind words. What name did you post under at OD?

1/24/2012 07:47:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Another personal disclosure that should interest As der Schwerter (und CC): my maternal grandmother was German. Among other things she sang Hoppe, hoppe, Reiter to me as a child. I have relatives in Berlin (the east side) and Bodenwerder. I have visited them and will do so again. I would be interested to meet my compatriots at AdS when I do.

1/24/2012 10:51:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Good stuff: Kairos' interview with Carolyn Yeager.

1/24/2012 11:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Nick Dean said...

What name did you post under at OD?

Over the last few years as fellist, but earlier on, say 2004-6 in a previous OD incarnation, I'm fairly sure I was registered under another name although I was more reader than poster.

1/25/2012 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Nick Dean said...

ben tillman,

I might have used my own name in those earlier days on OD since I was posting to Stormfront as Nick Dean in 2003 and it was through SF that I found you guys and the more concentrated presentation of these issues I was struggling to get a handle on.

1/25/2012 02:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Duke of Qin

"my own non-European homeland is completely dominated by an organization who's principal ideology is a nihilistic Jewish one."

In their relationship towards non-Jews, Jews are effectively identical to intelligent sociopaths so they create idealogies that suit standard sociopaths and every nation has a percentage of those.

If you take the phrases

"dictatorship of the proletariat"

and

"vanguard of the proletariat"

and combine them into

"dictatorship of the vanguard of the proletariat"

then you have the vector for the spread of Marxist idealogy to Chinese, Africans, Latin Americans etc. It appeals directly to the native percentage of intelligent sociopaths.

1/25/2012 08:04:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"Mr Seligmann says the most important change wrought by Germany's new generation of Jews is that they are dispensing with the negative perception of themselves as victims."

They will, however, not be dispensing with the positive benefits that come from the perception of themselves as victims.

It's like the jew-/Israel-firster objections to being identified as jew-/Israel-firsters. They will be all they can be, so to speak, which includes spitefully painting anyone who objects as the source of the problem.

1/25/2012 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Manfred Kleine-Hartlage said...

@ Tanstaafl:
I saw some references in the Fjordman thread about Manfred Kleine-Hartlage splitting from AdS. Could you explain why?

I had started the blog as "Counterjihad" as an archive for translations of articles on Islam and Islamization. As I hadn't much time, it was Deep Roots who did most of the work, and his focus shifted more and more to racial and Jewish issues. This was not my agenda, and it was nothing I would like to be identified with.

On the other hand, Deep Roots had managed to make the blog a unique and successful brand in the German blogosphere, and, as mentioned, I hadn't the time to do something meaningful with it. Therefore, I decided to withdraw, to leave him the blog, and to make clear that I am not responsible for its content.

1/25/2012 11:26:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Manfred, I'm glad to hear that your departure was more amicable than AdS's split with Fjordman.

I much enjoyed your Liberal and Conservative Criticism of Islam, as well as Carolyn Yeager's discussion of it. I was particularly pleased to hear you say:

"So, if you're not prepared to say, and to stand by, and to do the necessary to preserve your own people, you can forget your little bit criticism of Islam. And by the way it is a symptom of decadence that I'm forced to explain such matters of course. And the Germans who need to adopt Americans or Israelis as ersatz heroes because they don't dare to be patriots will not be able to fight Islamization at all."

This is the point that differentiates true and healthy nationalism from the hijacking of patriotic instinct which jew-first/Israel-first counter-jihadism attempts.

1/25/2012 12:17:00 PM  
Blogger SAVANT said...

@Tanstaafl: Well spotted sir "Would it be correct to assume that you're transitioning beyond this position because your "ex-friends and former colleagues", "decent ordinary jews" all I'm sure, have by now made it clear what you can do with your friendly overture?"

Yes, a great deal of truth in this. Let's just say I'm a mite less optimistic than when I wrote the original post.

1/25/2012 02:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Manfred Kleine-Hartlage said...

Manfred, I'm glad to hear that your departure was more amicable than AdS's split with Fjordman.

Yes, we simply agreed to disagree.

I think it is not fair to assume that the Counterjihad movement is merely a "jew-first/Israel-first" movement "hijacking patriotic instinct".

(By the way: "jew-first" and "Israel-first" are two different and even incompatible agendas; most diaspora Jews have just superficial sympathy for Israel, while, by their anti-White policy they are in fact actively undermining its existence; see my article "Who is delegitimizing Israel?")

I admit that the way Fjordman treated you and Chechar wasn't fair, too. It makes no sense at all to denigrate each other as "traitors" or something like that.

Fjordman has gone far beyond the narrow limits of liberal criticism of Islam, and has contributed a lot to lay the foundations of an alternative paradigma challenging the established liberal-globalist ideology.

There are two critical points:

As our peoples are caught in a kind of self-destructive mental illness, and this mental illness consists in being caught in a kind of net whose knots are crazy ideological assumptions, we have to cut through knot by knot. With every knot we destroy the remaining knots are stressed more - until the net gets torn. Anyone, including liberal Jewish critics of Islam, who cuts through one of the knots, is objectively contributing to our struggle.

The second point is that there has to be a set of ideas a broad movement can refer to and agree upon: The Leftists had sectarian struggles between lots of factions, but they were able to form a powerful movement, because their common reference to utopian egalitarian and emancipation ideas enabled them to distinct friend and foe. I think that a corresponding right-wing paradigm ought to be built around what I would like to call Fjordman's triangle: criticism of Islam, of cultural Marxism, and of Globalism. Anti-Jewish views are compatible with this paradigm, but they needn't necessarily be a part of it.

I admit that you have a point when you describe the conflict between us and the liberals in ethnic (Jews<->Gentiles) instead of purely political-ideological terms, for it has indeed an ethnic subtext, but I am not convinced that it has more than just this subtext. A Liberal is a Liberal, and a Globalist is a Globalist, regardless whether he is a Jew or not. I don't know exactly why Fjordman was so upset by your question whether we have to count Jewry among our enemies; I think the question was legitimate. Nevertheless, as we are requiring the general public to completely reverse their worldview, it makes sense to question whether it is smart to overstress the public's willingness to consider our views by adding anti-Semitism to the set of ideas we promote. I think it isn't.

It isn't smart, too, to treat each other as enemies, for, if we are defeated, we will hang together.

1/25/2012 03:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Manfred Kleine-Hartlage said...

The link doesn't seem to work, so I add it here: http://www.german-views.de/2012/01/15/who-is-delegitimizing-israel/

1/25/2012 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nick Dean - Have you given up on Songlight for Dawn? Its been quite a while since you posted anything.

1/25/2012 04:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Scott said...

this mental illness consists in being caught in a kind of net whose knots are crazy ideological assumptions, we have to cut through knot by knot.

I'm cautious to disagree with Manfred Kleine-Hartlage, but I think its more a Gordian knot, such that attacking the jewish issue head-on can make an entire complex of problems disappear, whereas ignoring it is like cutting off a head or two of a hydra.

Here's a link to the "feature" on my yahoo homepage this morning: a typical invidious journalese "article" apotheosizing some incredibly vile gang-sign flashing rapper and his immense wealth and idiot behavior. Here's the thing: just about every White guy I talk to in private will get angry at this. Not necessarily in racial terms, but they don't want to live in a sick world where nihilist shitheads live atop the totem pole and piss on us from up high. I'm a social guy, I talk to people of all types (for example, today I showed the linked "article" to an ultra liberal West coast environmentalist guy involved with the Occupy movement) ... simply put, this stuff pisses Us off. Read the comments and compare them with the jewish voice of the author. With this kind of widespread anger, you can't say the will to change this evil status quo is lacking. But we're still seemingly defenseless against it. How come?

There's a firewall of powerful interests protecting anti-White lies by incentivizing ignorance and silence in every way possible, from the most subtle to the most brutish. There's also a cancerous vascularization that has grown grotesque, a network of artifical blood vessels now comnfortably feeding anti-White power. Disable the firewall, lance the cancer which lives to create blood floow to itself, and so many seemingly insurmountable problems will be seen as almost trivial.

I group Islam here. It's false to equate the Arab and then the Ottoman threat of old with the Islamic threat of today. Today it could be solved within a year, perhaps a few more if humanitarian concerns factor in. The will is not lacking. It is being controlled by the interests of a group who wields the force-multipliers of fear (for status) and resigned despair (from deracination) with surgical precision.

1/25/2012 07:11:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"I think it is not fair to assume that the Counterjihad movement is merely a "jew-first/Israel-first" movement "hijacking patriotic instinct"."

It is an empirical observation, not an assumption. Counter-jihadists, at least those of the "Vienna school" as Breivik called it, define themselves in terms of their opposition to Islam, which they consider inextricably bound to support for jews and Israel. Fjordman's Why Israel’s Struggle Is Our Struggle, Too is a near perfect expression of their creed. Challengers of the privileged positions of either jews or Israel are excommunicated.

"(By the way: "jew-first" and "Israel-first" are two different and even incompatible agendas; most diaspora Jews have just superficial sympathy for Israel, while, by their anti-White policy they are in fact actively undermining its existence; see my article "Who is delegitimizing Israel?")"

They are indeed distinct agendas, but they are complementary and fused together in counter-jihadism. In your article you correctly identify the essentials of the liberal critique of Israel:

"What is Israel doing that is considered so terrible? It maintains a powerful fighting army (“Militarism”!), it is welcoming only immigrants belonging to its own people (“Racism!”), has built a fence to lock out potential terrorists from its own national territory (“Apartheid !”), and refuses to allow the immigration of millions of Muslims (“Islamophobia”)."

What I would point out is that counter-jihadis oppose liberalism to the extent they believe it harms jews and/or Israel. Most otherwise remain anti-"racist"/anti-discrimination liberals. Liberals oppose counter-jihadism to the extent they regard it as "racism" and "islamophobia". The disagreement between them amounts to whether "islamophobic" "racism" is worse than "anti-semitic" "racism". In other words, counter-jihadists see muslims and liberals as "nazis", whereas liberals and muslims see counter-jihadis as "nazis".

Both camps see White nationalists as "nazis". Liberals because we exclude those outside our nation. Counter-jihadists because we exclude jews.

1/25/2012 08:38:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"I think that a corresponding right-wing paradigm ought to be built around what I would like to call Fjordman's triangle: criticism of Islam, of cultural Marxism, and of Globalism. Anti-Jewish views are compatible with this paradigm, but they needn't necessarily be a part of it."

Just as a sore throat, coughing, and sneezing might be called the Influenza triangle. If you seek a cure rather than simply a description or treatment of symptoms, identifying the cause is indeed necessary.

1/25/2012 08:48:00 PM  
Blogger Chechar said...

From Counterjihad to Ace of Swords: Why „As der Schwerter“?

1/26/2012 01:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Phalluster said...

Regarding the German "right of Jewish citizenship", one of the characters at mypostingcareer is intimately familiar with this process. He emigrated from Moldova as a university student while applying for full German citizenship as a jew. There is an established network for this in Moldova - paperwork for a fee. The bureaucratic process lasts a few years, during which his is not allowed to disavow his judaism, but he's never pressed about the subject (and who would risk offending a 'persecuted refugee'?). Some of his fellow students who are actual jews casually poke and prod, just to make sure he doesn't break. Others simply wink and nod since they are well aware of the scam.

Of course, the prize is not simply German citizenship, but the freedom to maneuver the whole of the EU. If you can bear to suffer the indignity of being a jew in Germany for a few years, all this could be yours. Once citizenship is granted, this guy will once again be free to goose-step around town snapping off stiff-arm salutes (oh... whoops!). But really, once the process is over, the charade ends. I would imagine though that these types of "legal immigrants" stay on the books as jews for the sake of any future pro-jew initiatives.

I was fascinated to learn that this legislated jewish victimhood works as a backdoor for many other unqualified immigrants. There's more than one way to poison a well, but one common element seems to keep recurring.

1/26/2012 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Nick Dean said...

I may get back to posting interesting finds at Songlight some day. Very busy right now.

1/27/2012 01:27:00 AM  
Blogger Chechar said...

As der Schwerter has now a thread devoted to English-speaking commenters. I would recommend AoT readers to read the article I linked a couple of comments above and, if you have anything to say, leave a comment there.

1/27/2012 09:59:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

See also Deep Roots, "From Counterjihad to Ace of Swords: Why 'As der Schwerter'?" at Counter-Currents.

1/29/2012 10:07:00 PM  

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