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Thursday, March 14, 2013

Of Popes and Jews

Dennis Mangan asks, Is the Pope Catholic?, and notes:

Some conservatives and Catholics seem to believe that non-Catholics shouldn't criticize the Pope and his opinions.

I made several comments there before realizing it was more appropriate to recast them, and some further comments, into a post here.

The trick is to frame your critique in moral terms, taking for granted that the sensibilities and interests of your group trump all others. It also helps if the media is in your pocket and takes your side.

Revised Catholic prayer troubles some rabbis, Sun Journal, Feb 2008.

Pope under fire for Yad Vashem speech, Jerusalem Post, May 2009.

US Jewish leaders denounce Catholic sermon, The Guardian, Apr 2010.

Jews Worried By Vatican Gesture To Traditionalists, Huffington Post, Sep 2011.

Anti-Semite is among papal candidates, MiamiHerald.com, Feb 2013.

Why the new pope matters to Jews, Fox News, March 2013.

Jews will be even less of a priority for the next Pope, Haaretz Daily Newspaper, March 2013.

You should never be put off from criticizing another group just because you don't belong. But remember you can always join a more universalist group to pursue your more particularist agenda from within.

The role of Jewish converts to Catholicism in changing traditional Catholic teachings on Jews, The Occidental Observer.

I have spoken before about the important distinction between universalism versus particularism (Morals, Morality and Moralizing and Universalism and Particularism).

One particularly popular jewish trope is that the jews have no pope. Like most jewish tropes about jews, this is a distortion of reality. The relationship between jews and popes is fascinating, and telling, specifically because the pope supposedly isn't a jew, because of the pretense that jewishness is entirely about religion (ideology) not peoplehood (biology), and because the usual jewish rhetoric about mutual respect and tolerance is, in practice, entirely one-sided.

First of all, the fact that the Catholic pope isn't a jew does not keep jews, big or small, from criticizing him, or other religious leaders for that matter. The underlying presumption is that even non-jews can and should be doing more to serve the best interests of jews. Second, there is organized jewry, a vast collective network that is in many ways more powerful, and more likely to use that power to promote particularist ends, than organized Christianity is. More broadly, there are thousands of jews who act, with and without the consent of organized jewry, as if they were superpopes, in the sense that they advocate more tirelessly and vociferously for the best interests of their group than any recent pope does for his.

Consider, for example, Alan Dershowitz, the author of the letter to the editor in the Miami Herald linked above. Dershowitz is usually described as a lawyer or professor and claims he isn't particularly religious. Yet his passion and efforts in favor of his own people (as a people, not as a religion) is so strong that, like thousands of other jews, he feels morally capable, entitled even, to publicly pass judgment on Christians and their leaders. In the minds of jews like Dershowitz, no Christian or pope comes before, or even equates, to them or their group.

New pope, Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina, has Jewish connections, JTA Jewish & Israel News.

A good pope, from the shamelessly particularist point of view of jews, should have "a personal connection to the Jewish people".

Note that JTA, aiming at a jewish audience, didn't pretend it was about a spiritual connection to the jewish faith.

This is just one jewish answer to the question, implicit in this case, "Will this new pope be good for the jews?" Right now many other jews are undoubtedly asking and answering this same question more or less explicitly. Two jews, three opinions about what the pope could do to better "connect with the jewish people".

Society of Jesus, Wikipedia:

Although in the first 30 years of the existence of the Society of Jesus there were many Jesuit conversos (Catholic-convert Jews),[50] an anti-converso faction led to the Decree de genere (1593) which proclaimed that either Jewish or Muslim ancestry, no matter how distant, was an insurmountable impediment for admission to the Society of Jesus.[51] The 16th-century Decree de genere remained in exclusive force until the 20th century, when it was repealed in 1946.[52]

The Jesuits, Jew or Not Jew:

The Jesuits, a Catholic order that was established in 1534, emphasized education, and tried to draw the brightest academics. (You know what that means: Jews!) They welcomed conversos with open arms, and, as a result, many prominent early Jesuits had Jewish heritage. The list includes Juan Alfonso de Polanco, the secretary and ghostwriter of the order's founder, as well as the second Superior General, Diego Lainez.

"Conversion" didn't used to fool Christians into thinking that jews stopped being jews. It still doesn't fool the editors at Jew or Not Jew.

I think it's safe to say that the influence of crypto-jews/conversos/marranos, whether on Jesuits or Christianity as a whole, has been greater than most contemporary Christians are aware of. The Occidental Observer article linked above makes a good case that the relatively recent shift in popular perception of morality, specifically in favor of jews, is both evidence of and a product of jewish influence.

The image source is GreenKeit hits the Vatican?, Jewlicious THE Jewish Blog. Paranoia disguised as mockery, or vice versa, this is yet another perfectly typical example of jewish attitudes regarding popes and Christians. HaShem is a reminder how distinct the jewish and Catholic conceptions of god are.

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48 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jews have been trying to 'judaize' christianity since the beginning, just read John Chrysoton and Martin Luther.

Vatican II was made by crypto-jews inside the Church:

http://forward.com/articles/159955/converts-who-changed-the-church/?p=all#ixzz22tvGsMUu

This is from jewish newspaper!

3/14/2013 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems to us that Judaism operates both as Religion and Race in its own religio-racial (racial-religious?) interests. Its prmary technique is that of hypocrisy and deception, and the oft-used strategy of Divide-and-Conquer.

When their opponents try uniting as a race, the Judaists divide their opponents under the pretext of uniting them in religion.

Church as well as Islam have been their useful tools. Entering these religious organizations as converts and then manipulating their ideology (from within) seems a common practice. And then unsuspecting religious followers become the fighters for Judaists. Also, since these fighters come from the "other" they can easily be sacrificed as also hailed as martyrs to perpetrate their legacy.

So when the Church conducts inquisitions, the Arab-Moors are their saviors, and when Islam threatens them, the White-Church are their saviors.

Similarly, when their opponents try uniting as a religion, the Judaists divide their opponents under the garb of uniting them as "races".

Thus as a racial-religious team the Judaists divide others both as races and religions. Theology and Atheism (Marxism) remain useful tools in this game.

3/15/2013 04:19:00 AM  
Anonymous sk said...

I assume that the pope, just like any others in powerful positions, in western civilization is anti-white. I will think differently only if he comes straight out and opposes the genocide of white children. Everything else, "the poor" gay marriage, etc. is a side show.

3/15/2013 08:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

<a href="http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/interfaith/adl-congratulates-new-pope-francis.html>ADL Congratulates New Pope Francis</a>

Note this:

<i>He has celebrated various Jewish holidays with the Argentinian Jewish community, including Chanukah where he lit a candle on the menorah, attended a Buenos Aires synagogue for Slichot, a pre-Rosh Hashana service, the Jewish New Year, as well as a commemoration of Kristallnacht, the wave of violent Nazi attacks against Jews before World War II.

In 2010, during a commemoration of the 1994 bombing, Cardinal Bergoglio called it “a house of solidarity” and added “God bless them and help them accomplish their work,” which showed his dedication and support in standing up against extremism.</i>

It is heresy for any Catholic to worship at any non-Catholic religious service.

Pope Francis is not the first, Benedict XVI and John Paul II also worshipped at Jewish services (as well as many other religious services like Buddhist and Hindu).

It is also a great heresy to support and urge on any non-Catholic religion, as Pope Francis did by stating "“God bless them and help them accomplish their work,”

From a Catholic perspective these acts alone demonstrate that Pope Francis is a heretic and is not Pope. Of course, most Catholics would reject this fact, but then, they are heretics as well. As were the preceding two Popes.

Just a Catholic perspective, I don't expect anyone here to share it.

3/15/2013 07:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Catholic church has gradually abandoned its European traditions and returned to its Biblical/jewish roots, i.e. it has become yet another jewish supremacist organization.

3/15/2013 08:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

The Catholic church has gradually abandoned its European traditions...

I would say it, the leaders - not the Church - abandoned the Faith in one fell swoop with Vatican II.


returned to its Biblical/jewish roots,...

Christianity is not rooted in Judaism. The people we call Jews rejected Christ and thus hold a special place amongst all the non-Catholic religions in that they specifically, and categorically, rejected and continue to reject, Christ. By definition they are anti-Christ.

it has become yet another jewish supremacist organization.

The leaders and many churches are manifestations of Jewish supremacy. The Church is not, and never will be. Christ said "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it", that is against the Church.

The "gates of hell" is defined as heresy. So, whilst the Church is represented today by heretics, as she was in the past at certain times, they shall not prevail.

3/15/2013 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the following premises are made:

1. The Bible = Old Testament + The Gospels + The rest of the material.

2. The Old Testament can be seen as (more or less) derived from Jewish Bible.

3. Teachings of Jesus of Nazarene (only the Gospels, including the "deleted" ones) can be seen as the message of Christ.

4. Jews can be assumed as those who view the two testaments as opposites and therefore rejected Jesus (and his message) to be anti-Jewish-Bible.

5. The rest of the Bible (or Bibles if there are many versions) can be seen as an attempt to tie the two testaments together and provide a theology.


Then, as a somewhat approximate conclusion, it must be convenient to visualize Jews (Judaism=Jewish Teachings) and Jesus the Christ (and Christianity as the teachings of the Christ) as two ends and various Church denominations lying somewhere in between.

If this is so, then getting closer to Christ (and His teachings) must be a better way to be a "true Christian".

Further, in such a view, if "blessing non-Catholics" is a heresy (say Catholic-heresy = something that is seen as heresy by the Catholic-Church), then even Catholic Church will be a true-Christian-heresy (something seen as heresy by someone who treats the message of the Christ as the highest (and only) authority).

More over, in such a view, even the removal of some of the Gospels (by the Church from the Bible) can be seen as an attempt to force the teachings of Christ in conformity with the Jewsih-Bible (hence a sort of Jewish conspiracy).

In such a scenario, it might be fruitful to try and collect all the gospels (including the rejected and trying to rediscover the lost gospels) and then understand these gospels in themselves. That might make one a truer Christian as it were.

Are there people who have investigated in such a manner? What are their findings?

Thanks

3/16/2013 04:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Christianity is not rooted in Judaism.

Jews invented Christianity as a slave religion for their goyim.

The people we call Jews rejected Christ and thus hold a special place amongst all the non-Catholic religions in that they specifically, and categorically, rejected and continue to reject, Christ. By definition they are anti-Christ.

That jews don't accept Christ doesn't bother Christians. The Bible says "God will bless those who bless Israel", and most Christians take that to heart.

3/17/2013 04:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Jews invented Christianity as a slave religion for their goyim.

Well, there's only one to sing to that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7M3EEHYkJ0

3/17/2013 05:46:00 AM  
Anonymous JMR said...

The new Pope's "credentials"
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com.br/2013/03/pope-francis-of-holocaust.html
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com.br/2013/03/pope-francis-sent-his-priests-to-chabad.html
http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com.br/2013/03/pope-francis-baptizes-bankers-rabbis.html

3/18/2013 07:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Pope Francis, friend of Jews, Muslims and all non-Catholics, in that order:

The Shoa Pope

Friend of Islam

Leader of World non_catholic churches

As the first article concludes:

Some 40 percent of the world’s Catholics live in Latin America, which is said to be rapidly losing adherents.

Gee, why would that be? Maybe it has something to do with Pope Francis doing anything for anyone - except the Catholic Church and those who remain faithful?

3/18/2013 05:41:00 PM  
Anonymous sk said...

Can whites be much concerned about whether other whites are Catholic or not, or religious or not, when we don't have a home anywhere on the planet?

3/19/2013 07:52:00 AM  
Anonymous JMR said...

I think it's important to remember that it was the Catholic Church (pre-vatican II of course)that organised the defense of Europe against the muslim invaders. The protestants didn't want to know.
It was the protestants that emancipated the jews. The jews had been banned from Catholic England for 400 years.It was Oliver Cromewell financed by Amsterdam jews who let them in after the civil war.
The majority of Catholic or Orthodox regions have been forced to expel the jews at one stage. Has a protestant region ever expelled them?
Liberal atheistic societies are already jewish societies.
So I think the spiritual beliefs of a society are important because I think they provide the glue to take on the most cohesive ethno-religios group that exists.

3/19/2013 09:09:00 PM  
Anonymous JMR said...

I really recommend William Cobbett's "The History Of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland'. Cobbett was a Protestant but his judgement of the effects of the Protestant Reformation in England is scathing and unlike the one you read about in most history books.
He has a wonderful sarcastic,witty style of writing which is very modern.

3/19/2013 09:42:00 PM  
Blogger Ironbark Jack said...

I am 55 years old and was fortunate enough to be baptized and bought up on the tail end of the traditional Tridentine /Latin church. My parents stopped going to church in the late 1960’s because of the radical changes that were introduced in the wake of the infamous Vatican II Council.
To cut a long story short as part of my spiritual journey ,in my early twenties I came to reject Christ and Christianity altogether and ended up formally converting to Orthodox Judaism through the orthodox Beth Din(Jewish court) in Sydney Australia. I wore the black Hasidic clothing, grew the peyot(side curls) and the whole package.
As an “insider” I saw first hand the virulent anti-Gentile and anti-Christian mindset that dominates Judaism. I witnessed Jews spitting on the floor of a synagogue in 20th century Australia during the Shacharith service(morning prayers) when the words –“and they(the Christians) pray to a god that cannot save”; I witnessed month after month calendars from an orthodox group based in Israel, Yad L’Chaim, posted up on the walls of Sydney synagogues bragging of their burnings of the New Testament; I studied with rabbis Talmudic and Hassidic texts teaching of the sub-human character of the goyim. And the list goes on.
In time, thank God, I rejected and left Judaism, sadder(mainly with my own self, for being so stupid and naïve) , cynical and somewhat wiser concerning foreign cultures.

It is because of my first hand experiences that I not only have no time for Judasim, Zionism and the state of Israel, but needless to say I have no time whatsoever for Multiculturalism. Judaism(and Zionism) is an ideology that is foreign, as well as being hostile, to western Christian civilization, no less than Islam is. This is why I also came to a parting of the ways in recent years with the Counter-Jihad movement, which in Australia, as elsewhere in the world, is dominated by goy Zionists.
Jews are the original and archetypical non-assimilating peoples, in other words ‘multiculturalism’ originated with the Jews, little wonder they have played such an important role in promoting M.C. in Western countries.

The pro-Jewish position that has been adopted by much of the Church today began with the Protestant sects that took on Dispensationalism and Christian Zionsm in the mid 19th century. The Roman Catholic Church, while not accepting the specific doctrine of Christian Zionism, became more pro-Jewish in the wake of Vatican II, a move that was no doubt aided by the guilt trip forced upon the Western nations because of World War II, or at least a certain biased “historical” interpretation of that conflict.

3/19/2013 11:01:00 PM  
Blogger Ironbark Jack said...

Just as a follow up to my first comment.Regarding the second comment made by ‘Anonymous’ – “The Bible says "God will bless those who bless Israel", and most Christians take that to heart.”
No doubt the Bible verse that Anonymous is referring to is the one favored by the heretical, non-Bible believing, judaized Christian Zionists , Genesis 12:3. This is the verse that a seeming million blog sites are referencing when you see the Israeli flag with the caption –“I stand with Israel – Gen. 12:3”
Both the Old Testament and the New interpret this verse as referring not to the physical descendents of Abraham, in other words the Israelites or Jews, but to the spiritual descendents of Abraham through the promised Messiah, that is – the Christians.
The Christian Right, dominated as it is by dispensationalism and its, bastard spawn- Christian Zionism, is no less heretical and false as the Christian Left.
A large part of the confusion for many people, and I fell into this trap many years ago due to the influence of the so-called Hebrew Roots Movement, is that because the Old Testament figures, such as Moses, David, Solomon, and all the prophets, as well as Jesus and the apostles were “Jewish” then Christianity has Jewish roots that we should all acknowledge and respect, or more precisely fall down genuflect before.
This of course is nonsense, while all the good guys of the Old Testament were racial “Jews”, or more precisely Hebrews, there religion was Messianic Judaism- in that they were all preaching about and looking forward to the Messiah.
Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament! While it has its roots in the distorted interpretation of the Pharisees, it is largely as post Christian religion based on the Talmudic interpretation of the O.T. This just part of the reason why there can be no such thing as a “Judeo-Christian” tradition or culture, term that makes me at once violent sick and enraged. It is a total mystery to me why the Christian Zionists and the Counter-Jihad movement cannot see that Judaism is just as false and destructive religion as Islam and any pagan religion. It is a “mystery” that can only be explained by spiritual blindess, induced by accepting heretical teaching.
So, sad to say, it is not just Western secular,liberal society that needs to undergo a severe and unflinching reformation, or purge, if we are even to begin to turn things around, much of the Church, both Roman Catholic and Protestant, need to be disciplined and purged as well. In fact from a traditional Christian perspective the reformation of society must begin with the Church.
To finish, I just want to briefly touch on the issue of race, specifically of course my own white race. I find it particularly galling and enraging that “bible believing” Christian Zionists are so ready to quote(even if it is to misinterpret) Genesis 12:3 as referring to blessings bestowed on the “Jews”, but are entirely and blissfully ignorant of the blessings bestowed upon the white, and I stress white, gentiles of the world, in Genesis 9:25-27, blessings that were pronounced generations before the advent of Abraham and the blessings of Genesis 12:3. In fact the blessings of Genesis 12:3 are a affirmation and consolidation of the blessings of Japeth in Gen. 9:25 -27.
Japeth, one of the sons of Noah, is the ancestor of the white European peoples of the earth. One of Japeth descendents was Yavan (Javan) the ‘father’ of the Greek peoples, among others(Genesis 10:2-5). Even the Rabbinic writings admits this
It is no coincidence that so many of the letters of Saint Paul were addressed to Greek churches. It is no coincidence, but part and parcel of Divine providence, that Christianity was taken to heart so much among the white European peoples of the earth and was then spread right around the entire world by the same peoples.
So don’t tell me race does not matter.
I apologise for the length of this comment as well as for it being so “theological”, however that is the essence of the featured article.

3/19/2013 11:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Cameron said...

At the risk of going against the advice given in Mathew 7:6, the following excerpt from an article by Marcelo Gonzalez of Panorama Catolico Internacional sheds some light on the new Pope:

"Of all the unthinkable candidates, Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis) is perhaps the worst. Not because he openly professes doctrines against the faith and morals, but because, judging from his work as Archbishop of Buenos Aires, faith and morals seem to have been irrelevant to him. A sworn enemy of the traditional mass, he has only allowed imitations of it in the hands of declared enemies of the ancient liturgy. He has persecuted every single priest who made an effort to wear a cassock, preach with firmness, or that was simply interested in Summorum Pontificum (the document that authorises priests to use the old Latin rite at will).

"Famous for his inconsistency (at times for the unintelligibility of his addresses and homilies), accustomed to the use of coarse, demagogical and ambiguous expressions, it cannot be said that his magisterium is heterodox, but rather nonexistent for how confusing it is.

"He has not missed any occasion for holding acts in which he lent his cathedral to Protestants, Muslims, Jews and even to partisan groups in the name of an impossible and unnecessary inter-religious dialogue. He is famous for his meetings with Protestants in the Luna Park arena where ... he was 'blessed' by Protestant ministers in a common act of worship in which he, in practice, accepted the validity of the 'powers' of the television pastors.

"This election is incomprehensible: he is not a polyglot, he has no curial experience, he does not shine for his sanctity, he is loose in doctrine and liturgy, he has not fought against abortion and only very weakly against homosexual 'marriage', he has no manners to honour the pontifical throne. He has never fought for anything else than to remain in positions of power. It really cannot be what Benedict wanted for the church. And he does not seem to have any of the conditions required to continue his work.

"May God help His church. One can never dismiss, as humanly hard as it may seem, the possibility of a conversion ... nonetheless, the future terrifies us."



3/20/2013 03:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

A song to listen to with Cam's post:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm4ge8iOcoY

3/20/2013 04:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Here's the link to Cam's post, which he has sent me:

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-horror-buenos-aires-journalist.html


Note, though: the Catholic Church has been under siege since John XXIII. Contrary to Marcelo Gonzalez the Catholic Church (the one true faith) has been long forgone.



3/20/2013 04:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Cameron said...

Pat Hannagan, 'Marcelo Gonzalez' is a pen name of mine.

I moonlight (between orgy ladden drunken benders) as one of the foremost authorities on South American Traditionalist Catholicism. Indeed I, or should a say Marcelo, has been labeled 'the great White hope of traditionalist minded Southern Hemisphere Catholics'. Perhaps not the catchiest nickname for our brevity minded northern friends, but i digress (BID).

May you dine in hell with your Judeo-Protestant comrades for your criticism!

3/20/2013 04:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

One thing I will say is that Jewishness isn't genetic.

Their evil religion isn't handed down through genes.

IQ and other metrics are handed down through genes, our genetics grant us capacity, to do what is or isn't nurtured through our environment.

So, it's stupidly ignorant to argue that Jews by birth are beholden to some evil scheme.


They are no more bound to be anything than we are. Same for niggers and asians.

Genes are capacity. They are not conclusions.

Tan was stupid and wrong to conclude anything anything else but that with regard his family, though I haven't heard the show yet.

3/20/2013 05:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

I was a bit harsh with that last comment. Now that I've heard the show, and it was very good, I still think it is a misconception to confuse the genetics of Jewish ancestry with the religion and culture of the Jews.

As everyone knows, being a Jew is racial, religious and cultural. Having ancestry of ashkenazi does not make one automatically a Jew, whether through the mother or the father. That is a Jewish lie that damns many good Jews to the Jewish hell their leaders wish to inflict.

It's the "identification" with the idea, holus-bolus, of being Jewish that is the problem, not if your grandfather was a kike.

Anyway, a comment for another day. Just wanted to say that saying Tan was "stupid" was harsh. I actually think it's a White thing to be up front the way Tan is about personal matters but excluding one's own family, who obviously aren't raised as Jews, is not on and not demanded nor required, of anyone.

3/22/2013 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Brandon said...

What ironbark jack said...

3/23/2013 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous TooJewCru said...

I agree that Judaism is not genetic.

I was raised Catholic. The head of my family is very successful and well known. I grew up in extreme privilege. It has taken me nearly 30 years of adulthood to wash the psychological remnant of feeling "chosen" because of the success of my family. That somehow I was special because someone in my family was special. It fucks you up. It's a poison pill, almost impossible to let go of. This poison pill warps your entire worldview. It turns you into an "other," in spite of yourself. It obviously doesn't happen to everyone, but it can happen.

It was an extremely painful and long process to shake it. I can see why many Jews who "convert" don't make it. But it's not because it's genetic. It's because the poison pill of being "chosen," by the world or by God, is basically a form of brain damage. Most of the time there will always be something back in there that you will never shake, no matter how hard you try.

I'm no Jew, but in essence, I've had the same spiritual problem. And it's not genetic. It's just bloody impossible to shake. Especially if it's working for you.

3/23/2013 10:03:00 AM  
Anonymous kirk said...

Most of the time there will always be something back in there that you will never shake, no matter how hard you try.

Wouldn't you then call this part genetic? Is an atheist jew not a jew?
In fact the mere phenomenon of pseudo-'converts', marranos in catholicism or donmeh in islam, should give credence to the notion that is there is something in jewishness beyond religion/culture.
It's not a matter of absolute determinism, but it is common sense that a population which has been practicing thorough inbreeding for centuries must have a biological binding component among its members.
A buddhist Navajo is still a Navajo, is he not?

Besides, modern research shows that even political ideologies are at least partly genetic, probably through certain psychological proclivities and other behavioral traits.
So, in a way, it's not really a matter of either/or (culture vs genetics); it's actually both, the two factors interplaying and reinforcing each other. The culture selects for particular traits (eg. iq, ethnocentrism etc) by excluding outliers and heretics from the community. And the genetics sustain and expand the culture of otherness and hostility to outgroups.
Do this for centuries and millenia and it's pretty obvious that you end up with a population where you can't really disentangle its culture from its genetic background.
Which, I presume, is the case with our beloved chosenites.

3/23/2013 12:40:00 PM  
Anonymous TooJewCru said...

Once an alcoholic always an alcoholic? Sure. But it's not true in all cases, and in a properly functioning white society, the cultural and legal presumptions should always lie with the desired outcome, lest the dead weight, even if frequently occurring, infect the dialogue and drag it down.

People have their problems. When we call them insurmountable we make them ours when they are not, and then have difficulty discussing them out of guilt. There are things we like and things we do not like. The less moral culpability we attach to ourselves with regard to negative behaviors that are not our own, the easier they are to deal with.

Belief and behavior should always be considered a choice, even if there are genetic influences. Otherwise we end up about exactly where we are -- trapped, immobile, and seemingly unable to free ourselves. When we say other people don't have a choice, we take the choice away from ourselves as well.

3/23/2013 01:13:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

Tolerating infiltration and subversion by "good"/"convert" jews is the biggest mistake Europeans have ever made.

Arguments otherwise reflect either ignorance or anti-White malice.

3/23/2013 08:48:00 PM  
Anonymous TooJewCru said...

It shouldn't be tolerated. Yet what is the strongest argument yet that it must be tolerated?

The argument is going from "it must be tolerated because of historical persecution" to "it must be tolerated because they can't help it, it's genetic, it's the way God made them."

I don't know about you but the first argument is a whole lot easier to navigate around than the second. And therefore furthering the second is incredibly dangerous. That's just what we need -- let's go from easily disputed historical lies to science that few would bother to understand, let alone refute.

The genetic argument is like the global warming hoax. Who the hell knows if it's true but in the wrong hands it will be the end of us.

3/23/2013 09:12:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"TooJewCru" says blah blah blah it will be the end of "us".

The concern here is what must be done to prevent the end of Whites. It's telling that to you separation means "the end". Likewise your disingenuous argument in terms of "us" when your obvious concern is for the jews.

3/24/2013 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous TooJewCru said...

My concern is not at all for the Jews.

Your concern is for the Jews. They're genetically different, don't you know, and must be protected, like a species.

I say Jews can be raised up from stones, easy as pie. I could create a Jew in about 5 minutes and it would take you a thousand years before you genetically sorted a single one of its progeny. Because you have no idea what a Jew is.



3/25/2013 10:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Knowing that they were 'raised up' tells us all we need to know.

3/26/2013 02:41:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

"Just ignore the jews" and "you don't know anything about the jews" are classic, characteristically jewish arguments. Bonus points for arguing both at the same time.

3/26/2013 08:55:00 AM  
Anonymous kirk said...

The genetic argument is like the global warming hoax.

Actually, it's not. Judaism isn't just another universalistic religion like christianity or islam. It is built specifically around its own 'chosen' people with whose racial purity it is obsessed. It is anti-universalistic by definition.
This isn't much of an argument; it's a fact.

If your tribe really wants to be part of 'us', what you should do is abolish judaism (it doesn't matter if you become christians or not) and outbreed yourselves completely into the large white pool.
But, strangely, something tells me that not only will you never do this. Even the supposedly benevolent 'converts' like you won't ever be able to bring themselves to think of it, let alone propose it. Because, you see, after that you won't be 'chosen' anymore.

3/26/2013 02:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Cameron said...

'I agree that Judaism is not genetic.'

I agree that TooJewCru should be marched into a cattle train.

Hiiissss....

3/28/2013 05:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Cameron said...

'I grew up in extreme privilege'...yet I'm too faggot minded to write a decent blog post.

3/28/2013 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

To the jew, his due.

3/29/2013 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Cameron said...

I love the smell of Zyklon B in the morning.

Smells like defeated jew blogger.

3/29/2013 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous TooJewCru said...

This is what I do to create a Jew in 5 minutes. I agree with my wife that we will tell our children that my wife's deceased grandparents were Jews who escaped Germany.

That knowledge, although completely false, will taint my children's worldview and their offspring (for they will tell their children and so on), to varying degree, forever, until there is a generation brought up without the knowledge of their "Jewish blood." They will, to varying degrees, think differently about themselves and about western culture, whether they are brought up Catholic, Christian, or whatever. They will, in essence, be permanently brain damaged from being perfectly non-Jewish, in spite of their genetics. Based on a lie.

You want to think it's all genetic because you want no moral culpability or responsibility for your own culture. You want it to be matter-of-fact, because you refuse to accept your own guilt in your situation. If only it could be so.

We are run by Jews not because of genetics, but because we failed to maintain basic tenets of Western Civilization. It's not that everyone didn't always know what was "Jewish" and what was not. We all know. It's that we stopped fighting. It's that we lost half our people as fellow travelers to Jewish causes. Is that because they had Jewish genes?

The only thing Ironbark Jack needed was someone to feed him the lie of Jewish Blood, and we would have lost him permanently as well.

March yourself into a cattle train Cameron.






3/29/2013 08:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

TooJewCru does make a good point, if I get him right.

Religious Jews are of the Talmud, their culture, whether religious or atheist, is one of persistent hatred of Christianity and all things White. They fuse their inbred circus with this eternal hatred, born forever in their blood.

The satanic nature of their movement isn't something genetically designed. It isn't something irresistible, a force of nature within their dna.

It's something they are born into. A perverted cult of death, debasement and despisement.

What did Auster mean by referring to himself as a "Jew" yet declare himself a Christian? What do all these other so called Catholic converts mean by rapprochement with the Jews?

They mean they want us to accept their Talmud cult in all its revulsion of us. They want to stick hard and fast to their Jewish *identity* and, at the same time, demand we deride our own.

Their religion has an eternal gripe at its core that can never be resolved, for the problem is in the heart of their culture, not their dna, and has nothing whatsoever to with us. Other than them needing to hate us, and exclude themselves from us, all the whiles living off us.

If Auster had said, "I have Jewish ancestry", then that's ok, that's enough. But he and others call themselves Jew, whilst proclaiming themselves as Christians. You can be one or the other, not both.

Having Jewish ancestry is just like having Polish ancestry, or any other ancestry. It doesn't determine who we are and what we will do. But if a person of Polish descent, living in the USA of several generations insisted he were Polish, you know he means he isn't one of us, and you know he means something else by it.

Auster could have been White, just like us. But he chose to remain a Jew, to keep the Jew forever as his ultimate identity. And so it is he died a Jew, with all that that entails.

I wouldn't want to condemn any other White person of Jewish ancestry to the same damnation.

A person's ancestry doesn't determine what he does, today. So, free yourself of this Talmud nonsense of destiny by blood. We've got a lot of work to do.

3/29/2013 11:56:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

You want to think

Jews like telling others what to think, e.g. jewishness has nothing to do with biology. They're exquisitely sensitive on this point, and when arguing such points they tend to project their your own polarized thinking - it has to be 0%, otherwise it might as well be 100%.

In the podcast Pat mentioned above I discussed exactly the points about jewish identity that this jew brings up. I'm not surprised that A) he didn't listen, and B) that it doesn't keep him from telling me what I think.

I think TooJewCru, the coyly self-described non-jew jew who is willing to lie about the nature of jewish identity, supports the case for excluding jews genetically.

I think non-jews who think like jews is a separate problem.

3/29/2013 12:39:00 PM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

But he and others call themselves Jew, whilst proclaiming themselves as Christians. You can be one or the other, not both.

Baloney. They can and do specifically because "jew" has an essential biological component that doesn't suddenly disappear when they "convert" to Christianity.

Ironically it is only now, in the age of science and genetics, that this absurd pretense that "jew" is 100% mental state has become so prevalent. As I pointed out in the original post, even back when religion was dominant common sense regarding the biological reality of jewishness can be found.

Today however jews feel they can't afford anything but 0% biology - at least in debates like this. In semitically-correct discussions of crypto-jews the biological component is downplayed but cannot be completely ignored. They don't even try to hide it when they talk among themselves.

3/29/2013 01:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat Hannagan said...

Tan, when discussing an identity it incorporates race (genetics) but it isn't solely racial.

These ashkenazis for instance, why do they proclaim themselves Jewish when for all intents and purposes they are European? You see those obviously Arabic Jews call themselves Jews, some black Jews, and then these ashkenazi Jews, all Jews.

It's like these so called Aboriginals in Oz who are as White as you and I yet, here they are, declaring themselves Aboriginal with all the grievance only a true blue Jew could deliver.

What I am talking about is identity, which incorporates race. I view it very much like the national identity of Wolfe Tone, not a Catholic, but a leader for Irish independence allied with Protestant and Catholic alike.

All these differentiators like religion, or ethnicity, have been blockages to our commonality, the preservation and advancement of our people.

I don't want to get bogged down in those things.

How would your own children describe themselves, Jewish? If so, that would be absurd. Just because they have some Jewish ancestry doesn't make them Jewish, just like I'm not Irish (though of course my ancestry is).

My point is that anyone calls themselves Jewish, then they are identifying with Jews, which are separate to us Whites. Like Mike "I'm Jewish" Wallace. Those are the people to exclude from our people.

Some of those White people calling into your show, calling themselves Jewish, yet obviously not really identifying with the Jews, should drop that stupid designation and get on board what is common to all of us, our Whiteness.

I mean, you get all sort of diversion in this subject, like the Linder types with their anti-Christianity (anti-xtianity as they call it), you get the anti-Catholic Protestants, the southern European haters, the Slav haters etc etc. There's so much to get bogged down on when what is true and obvious, our Whiteness, the fact that we are White, is the marker of our persecution and what should be ultimately what unites us.

Even Andrew Fraser was aghast that his son be dating a Russian. How f*cking ridiculous is that?

So, your kids aren't Jewish, and it's wrong and self-defeating to say you would exclude them (and yourself I assume) from a White homeland, should such a thing be possible (we hope).

It's all these loud and proud Jews that we need to identify and smash. Not some 3/4 White, with 1/4 Jewish ancestry that we want to pin prick over.

We need to be like the Society of United Irishmen when it comes to our goals.

3/29/2013 01:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how Jews don't see it that way.

"Lord Phillips, Lady Hale, Lord Mance, Lord Clarke and Lord Kerr held that the school had directly discriminated on grounds of race. Lord Clarke wrote,

"I do not accept they were not considering M’s ethnic origins or making a decision on ethnic grounds....As I see it, once it is accepted...that the reason M is not a member of the Jewish religion is that his forbears in the matrilineal line were not Orthodox Jews and that, in that sense his less favourable treatment is determined by his descent, it follows that he is discriminated against on ethnic grounds....The question is, in my opinion...whether it is discrimination on ethnic grounds to discriminate against all those who are not descended from Jewish women."[1]

All those not descended from Jewish women are not Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%28E%29_v_Governing_Body_of_JFS

3/29/2013 07:20:00 PM  
Anonymous kirk said...

Funny how Jews don't see it that way.

That's the whole point. They should be free to define jewishness on racial grounds thereby excluding not sufficiently 'pure' members from their group.
Yet we shouldn't be free to ...accept their own standards on jewishness, thereby excluding them from non-jewish groups. [And we shouldn't notice the double standard either.]
This must be another form of exterminationist antisemitism: taking jews at their own word.

3/30/2013 09:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, let's get this straight - atheist liberal societies are Jewish, Protestant societies are Jewish, Jewish societies are Jewish, the Catholic church is Jewish, boy, you people really want to blame Jews for everything, don't you, lol.

10/16/2013 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat Hanagan, why do you make a distinction between 'Jews' and 'Whites'? Most Jews I've seen are white. Are you a bit of a racist?

10/16/2013 08:02:00 AM  
Blogger Tanstaafl said...

So, let's get this straight, you claim not to see the clear biological and ideological distinctions between jews and Whites, AND blame anyone but jews for what jews do. Lol, typical anti-"racist".

10/16/2013 11:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Reginald Sipco said...

Pat Hanagan, why do you make a distinction between 'Jews' and 'Whites'? Most Jews I've seen are white. Are you a bit of a racist?

Pat is currently undergoing treatment for substance abuse at "The Sanctuary", Byron Bay, but has asked that I forward on his reply, on his behalf.

Pat says "Yes".

He also said, "Why can't these mashuganas spell my name right?"

Pat then drifted off into silent musings.

10/16/2013 04:47:00 PM  

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